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BigDon
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| No other player in the NBA would have been allowed to shoot like that and still be in the game. |
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SlickVic
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| Splitting the home and home, can't be too mad about that. Still concerned how bad this team is in late game execution though. Yesterday was a nice close win (though who knows what would've happened if Gallinari made that routine layup), but tonight's game seemed like a return to normalcy of how this team's been with tight games dating back to last season. |
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moonriver24
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Kobe was way off. He missed some easy shots and so did others. This game is on him. However, if you want to bash him fairly, you need to address all the wasted assists and feeds he gave to everyone.
It's easy to bash him as a ballhog without watching the game.
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| ItsShowtime wrote: | | This is the problem with a great player like Kobe. He can't accept that he is having a bad night and he keeps trying to reverse it rather than thinking of the team. |
Facilitator is what he should have become for the 2nd half.. |
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ItsShowtime
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| JR Ewing wrote: | | JR Ewing wrote: | I'm calling it right now:
Lakers-91
Nuggets-104
Kobe: 21 points (7-22 shooting), 5 boards, 6 assists, 5 turnovers
Hopefully I'm wrong but I highly doubt it. |
In this case, it really hurts to be RIGHT. |
good call |
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Runway8
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Cqc_NastyN8 wrote: | | ignardlakerfan wrote: | | kobe had a bad game....damn some of you guys sound like barkley...if the guy isnt perfect or near perfect every game you cry like a bunch of b's |
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We cry and complain like any player who has a bad game. Do you come to Artest's defense? Do you come to Blake or Fisher's defense when the forum is down on them? I bet you don't, I bet you guys pile on. Yet, Kobe fans, they are like defense attorneys... ready to apologize and defend away. Kobe can do no wrong with some of you. |
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OX1947
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| lafan4life78 wrote: | It's one thing to be 33 and another thing to be past your prime.
But to jack up 28 shots and commit 5 turnovers is flat out ridiculous. Half his shot attempts are just complete heaves.
Total selfish game by number 24. No other way to put it. |
If people in here truly understand the game, understand that Kobe's skill is not the issue here. His decision making is the issue and it has been an issue for a while now. Last 20 games of last year and the first 6 games this year. |
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Rick12322
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| Jay32 wrote: | | LOL @ Bygaina missing that layup and two FT's. This is our next franchise player? LMAoO. |
Bynum finished with +9
Kobe finished with -17.
who's the xxagina now? |
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LakerLanny
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| FBP Si 2000 wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | vikboi28 wrote: | | I just saw the replay and Kobe was complaining yet again instead of getting back on D. |
Yet clowns like Moonriver will still be on here blaming Mike Brown or saying it is Fisher's fault or something like that.
The rest of the team shoots 50%, Kobe shoots 20% on 30 shots and plays no D at all but they don't want to see that.
Like I said, I never would have put him back in the game in the 4th qtr, he was playing selfishly and poorly and the team was playing better without him. |
Trade him? |
I think he is untradeable but someone needs to get in his ear and tell him the team needs to play inside out now.
Bynum and Gasol need to get the ball on almost every offensive possession, Kobe needs to accept that.
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Golden_Emperor_24K
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| 3-3 record..not impressed. we only blown out the scrub teams. we can barely beat the nuggets. defly not championship caliber. |
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greenfrog
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | Amin wrote: | | And before anyone decides to say it's unwarranted....dude is 6/27....6/27. I don't care who you are, it's inexcusable. Stop shooting the damn ball from 20 feet and/or pass the damn ball and contribute in another way. |
That's the thing....it isn't that he isn't entitled to have a bad game. But what is becoming more and more frustrating with him is he won't stop shooting even when he is ice cold.
Grab rebounds, get assists, guard someone for once....it doesn't have to be about scoring every night. |
'entitlement' is the perfect word to describe kobe's 4th quarters. he feels he's entitled to take any shot he wants in that period. 1st quarter? then he'll defer.
wow, james worthy even trashed him. |
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4eyes
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakers shot 8 % from 3 point range tonight. 3 for 24. |
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ignardlakerfan
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| greenfrog wrote: | | ignardlakerfan wrote: | | kobe had a bad game....damn some of you guys sound like barkley...if the guy isnt perfect or near perfect every game you cry like a bunch of b's |
you miss the point. does it give us our best chance to win playing this style to end games? something needs to change. |
of course it doesnt give them the best chance to win but im not going to cry about it and the dude is human, he has saved the lakers more time than not and if he has a bad game and the lakers lose i dont like it but im not going to get all crazy and say hes washed up or hes this or that...
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Runway8
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| Worthy just talked about the cliche of Kobe needing to trust his teammates. That would hold true if Kobe was 25 years old and just made 20 of his 28 shots while his teammates shot 30%. The guy just missed 22 of 28 shots when his teammates were shooting at 50%, what does trust have to do with anything? So this is not about Kobe trusting teammates, this is about Kobe needing to be smart. That cliche needs to be flipped. Can teammates trust Kobe? That's the question. |
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NoMoreFisher
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| That was awful. Kobe lookin' selfish as hell. When your bigs are dominating inside GIVE THEM THE BALL. |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| moonriver24 wrote: | Kobe was way off. He missed some easy shots and so did others. This game is on him. However, if you want to bash him fairly, you need to address all the wasted assists and feeds he gave to everyone.
It's easy to bash him as a ballhog without watching the game. |
name one wasted assist in the 4th quarter? that godawful bullet pass to drew.
honestly i'd rather have him go hog wild to start games at this point. |
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Rick12322
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| That was embarrassing. Galinari running down the court for wide open layups the second his guy shot the ball. |
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Vandal08
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| OshadowO wrote: | | Vandal08 wrote: | | Terrible game by Kobe no doubt. But you have to get rebounds in crunch time, you can't leave wide open 3 pointers. You have to make free throws. But yeah 6-28 is a terrible night. Even with the missed calls and hacking going on by the nuggets on Kobe. |
you also should take dumb 3s, often without even moving the ball, or try to force a pass out of double teams when you have timeouts left. A rookie may do that, but a 16 year vet with 5 championships? |
Hey I agree on that too. He made some dumb a$$ mistakes no doubt. Selfish play, but the same things that makes (or made) Kobe great is what makes him a bonehead in 8-10 games like this per year. He believes he will make the next one. I'm sure he'll bounce back like he always has and done. The Nuggets are one of the few teams that can send waves of defenders at Kobe, quick physical guys like Afflalo and long dudes like Galinari. So hey you take these with the 30 point, 6 assist 7 rebound games. It was ugly, uncalled for but I'm a believer that you win and lose as a team. Always. Other dudes missed passes, missed shots, made boneheaded plays but because this is Kobe's team the majority of the blame will be at his feet and rightfully so. I believe he'll make some midcourse corrections, take stock of tonight and play a better game next time the ball goes up. Bank on it. It's game freaking 6. We'll be alright. Put the razor blades down. We have seen this before. Things will get better.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| john ireland is giving kobe's balls a good wash here... |
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moonriver24
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[quote="FBP Si 2000"] | LakerLanny wrote: | | vikboi28 wrote: | | I just saw the replay and Kobe was complaining yet again instead of getting back on D. |
Yet clowns like Moonriver will still be on here blaming Mike Brown or saying it is Fisher's fault or something like that.
The rest of the team shoots 50%, Kobe shoots 20% on 30 shots and plays no D at all but they don't want to see that.
Like I said, I never would have put him back in the game in the 4th qtr, he was playing selfishly and poorly and the team was playing better without him. |
Clown like LakerLanny will never give you the complete picture. Bashing Kobe on bad plays only. He will NEVER EVER EVER tell you when Kobe drew two defenders to let other Lakers free for an easy put back. He will never EVER tell you when Kobe's potential assists were wasted. He will NEVER EVER tell you when others fumble the balls from his feed. He will NEVER EVER tell you when Kobe dishes assists.
All LakerLanny sees in Kobe is his flaws.
The best Lakers fan ever.
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JR Ewing
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | john ireland is giving kobe's balls a good wash here... |
What did peanut head say about Kobe? |
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bertrome
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Awful game by Kobe. Quite telling that the Lakers looked their best in the last 2 minutes of the 3rd when he was off the floor. |
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Amin
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| ignardlakerfan wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | ignardlakerfan wrote: | | kobe had a bad game....damn some of you guys sound like barkley...if the guy isnt perfect or near perfect every game you cry like a bunch of b's |
you miss the point. does it give us our best chance to win playing this style to end games? something needs to change. |
of course it doesnt give them the best chance to win but im not going to cry about it and the dude is human, he has saved the lakers more time than not and if he has a bad game and the lakers lose i dont like it but im not going to get all crazy and say hes washed up or hes this or that... |
As good as Kobe has been, and he's been imo the all time best Laker ever, I need to disagree a bit. There were tons of games in Kobe's career, especially during the bad years where they missed the playoffs or came in at the 7th seed, where Kobe WOULD save the Lakers only after he had shot them into a losing position to begin with. Like I said before there is an area of Kobe's game, I thought had matured during the 08 - 10 championship runs, where Kobe decides to be extraordinarily selfish and lack the presence of mind or the willingness to defer and make smarter plays. He is the best bad shot maker EVER....the question that needs asking is, would he be the best SHOT maker ever if he took smarter shots? I am willing to bet Kobe would be 10-15% more efficient over the course of his career if he was more willing to make the smarter play. Can you imagine what he would look like then? We knocked Shaq for not living up to his potential. We can also knock Kobe for failing to realize an area of his. |
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ignardlakerfan
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| Runway8 wrote: | | Cqc_NastyN8 wrote: | | ignardlakerfan wrote: | | kobe had a bad game....damn some of you guys sound like barkley...if the guy isnt perfect or near perfect every game you cry like a bunch of b's |
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We cry and complain like any player who has a bad game. Do you come to Artest's defense? Do you come to Blake or Fisher's defense when the forum is down on them? I bet you don't, I bet you guys pile on. Yet, Kobe fans, they are like defense attorneys... ready to apologize and defend away. Kobe can do no wrong with some of you. |
actually i dont come to their defense because they have more bad games then kobe has....im a lakers fan first and foremost and of course i like the fat that kobe is on the lakers but i dont take one bad game from him to mean hes over the hill, or washed up...plus artest and blake had a horrible season last year...not just one or two games
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greenfrog
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when was the last "heroic" 4th quarter performance by kobe? surely some of his boosters here must know...and add the year.
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