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Z_Lakers
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| Senor Mortgage wrote: | | Z_Lakers wrote: | Green with a dunk! he can replace shanwow for those highlight reels!
i still believe in this kid. he needs a serious mentor and someone taking an interest in him i.e Kobe or Shaw as he can actually shoot and have a nice stroke! |
Are you joking me? Green makes Brown look like a prime Larry Bird in terms of basketball IQ. Green is a god awful scrub who has no business ever wearing a NBA uniform ever again. |
give the kid a chance, to round out our roster for the very minimum that we can pay him. he can shoot, nice stroke, athletic - not much difference just needs some coaching. |
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hellsling
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I rather have Strawberry make the team than Green. |
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lakersfan22
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| Tris wrote: | | lakersfan22 wrote: | | Ebanks is a lock for the team. He plays the triangle very well and would be knocking down open 3s if these scrubs passed it to him. |
I am still  that Ebanks is not a finisher. Ariza's much faster. |
Yeah, he makes the difficult shots but misses around the basket. However, when he plays with real talent, he will get those looks and get a chance to take those shots. |
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Senor Mortgage
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfan22 wrote: | | Tris wrote: | | lakersfan22 wrote: | | Ebanks is a lock for the team. He plays the triangle very well and would be knocking down open 3s if these scrubs passed it to him. |
I am still that Ebanks is not a finisher. Ariza's much faster. |
Yeah, he makes the difficult shots but misses around the basket. However, when he plays with real talent, he will get those looks and get a chance to take those shots. |
Also lets not compare rookie Summer league Ebanks to 4th year contract year Ariza. Thats not fair to do. Even the best of the best rookie prospects/players like Magic/Bird needed work to their games as they went through the NBA.
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Runway8
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| No double double today for Caracter. Didn't watch it, was he outplayed by Cousins? |
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uberzev
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | No double double today for Caracter. Didn't watch it, was he outplayed by Cousins? |
Maybe but he shot 6/9 vs. 8/20 for the Bynum hater.
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Senor Mortgage
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Z_Lakers wrote: | | Senor Mortgage wrote: | | Z_Lakers wrote: | Green with a dunk! he can replace shanwow for those highlight reels!
i still believe in this kid. he needs a serious mentor and someone taking an interest in him i.e Kobe or Shaw as he can actually shoot and have a nice stroke! |
Are you joking me? Green makes Brown look like a prime Larry Bird in terms of basketball IQ. Green is a god awful scrub who has no business ever wearing a NBA uniform ever again. |
give the kid a chance, to round out our roster for the very minimum that we can pay him. he can shoot, nice stroke, athletic - not much difference just needs some coaching. |
He's been in the NBA for 4 years. He's played with Rivers and Carlile, pretty solid coaches. He's been on 4 teams. And he still look like the worst player on the roster full of scrubs and late second rounders. He has no upside. He cannot play the game of basketball. Stop giving that scrub the benefit of the doubt that he does not deserve.
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and has killed them ever since jack kent cooke owned the team. i really don't think the lakers franchise is contractually even allowed to defend the high pick and roll. |
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lakersfan22
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | No double double today for Caracter. Didn't watch it, was he outplayed by Cousins? |
They were about even. Caracter was much more efficient. Cousins had more rebounds. They both had a block on each other. But you wouldnt tell that there were 53 spots apart. |
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revgen
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I just don't understand why they keep hyping Cousins througout that broadcast. Sure, he scored 19 points, but he shot 8-20 to do it while being defended by a guy who's 2 inches shorter than he is and less athletic. Sure he made some nice passes to teamates. He also turned the ball over more times than he made an assist. The only thing he did well was rebound, but even so, it wasn't like his team had a rebound advantage over the opposing team. Caracter scored 14 points, yet did it on a more efficient 6-9 shooting. He had 5 rebounds because he had to defend Cousins, which allowed Sims to grab the rebounds.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfan22 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | No double double today for Caracter. Didn't watch it, was he outplayed by Cousins? |
They were about even. Caracter was much more efficient. Cousins had more rebounds. They both had a block on each other. But you wouldnt tell that there were 53 spots apart. |
Come on now. Cousins was a lot better then Caracter. Caracter was good, but Cousins looked like a top pick while Caracter looked like a late 1st. Not a put down, just truth. Caracter is going to have some issues rebounding and being physical in the league. |
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uberzev
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| Justwar wrote: | | lakersfan22 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | No double double today for Caracter. Didn't watch it, was he outplayed by Cousins? |
They were about even. Caracter was much more efficient. Cousins had more rebounds. They both had a block on each other. But you wouldnt tell that there were 53 spots apart. |
Come on now. Cousins was a lot better then Caracter. Caracter was good, but Cousins looked like a top pick while Caracter looked like a late 1st. Not a put down, just truth. Caracter is going to have some issues rebounding and being physical in the league. |
Based on one game? Up until this point DC was a beast on the glass. Also 4 blocks today.
And at least our guy is efficient.
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| Justwar wrote: | | lakersfan22 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | No double double today for Caracter. Didn't watch it, was he outplayed by Cousins? |
They were about even. Caracter was much more efficient. Cousins had more rebounds. They both had a block on each other. But you wouldnt tell that there were 53 spots apart. |
Come on now. Cousins was a lot better then Caracter. Caracter was good, but Cousins looked like a top pick while Caracter looked like a late 1st. Not a put down, just truth. Caracter is going to have some issues rebounding and being physical in the league. |
Cousins did not look better than Caracter. He shot 8-20 to score his 19 points while Caracter shot 6-9 to score his 14 points. 8-20 is fine if you are a guard, but a big man should be shooting over 50FG%. Cousins grabbed more boards, but it didn't give his team a rebound advantage over the Lakers. Caracter also blocked more shots than Cousins did despite being 2 inches shorter and not nearly as athletic.
If it hadn't been for the King's superior bench unit, the Laker team would have won.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| revgen wrote: | | I just don't understand why they keep hyping Cousins througout that broadcast. Sure, he scored 19 points, but he shot 8-20 to do it while being defended by a guy who's 2 inches shorter than he is and less athletic. Sure he made some nice passes to teamates. He also turned the ball over more times than he made an assist. The only thing he did well was rebound, but even so, it wasn't like his team had a rebound advantage over the opposing team. Caracter scored 14 points, yet did it on a more efficient 6-9 shooting. He had 5 rebounds because he had to defend Cousins, which allowed Sims to grab the rebounds. |
EXACTLY ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Caracter is a nice player not discounting him, Cousins is better. Cousins was doubled most of the game. Caracter wasn't. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakers was playing Scruby-doo offense. Caracter was doing pretty good even at that condition. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Justwar wrote: | | Caracter is a nice player not discounting him, Cousins is better. Cousins was doubled most of the game. Caracter wasn't. |
DC was doubled/tripped in previous games and still beasted.
I'm not saying DC is the better player but your evidence is lacking.
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| Justwar wrote: | | Caracter is a nice player not discounting him, Cousins is better. Cousins was doubled most of the game. Caracter wasn't. |
So it's Caracter's fault that the Kings didn't double him?
The Knicks and Nuggets apparently though it was worth it to double him. The Kings apparently didn't care too much. Didn't stop Caracter from producing at a high percentage.
None of those doubles Demarcus was receieving were really helping his team anyway. The only reason the Kings even won was because of their superior bench unit.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Not worth arguing. In the end Caracter will play the Powell role, while Cousins is a franchise player. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Justwar wrote: | | Not worth arguing. In the end Caracter will play the Powell role |
On a championship team with All-Star(s) starting in his place
| Quote: | | while Cousins is a franchise player. |
For a lottery team.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought Cousins played soft at times instead of backing down his man he settle for the jumper a lot. Caracter also looked tired not surprising since he's playing 4 games in 5 nights while averaging 34 min a game |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| revgen wrote: | | Justwar wrote: | | Caracter is a nice player not discounting him, Cousins is better. Cousins was doubled most of the game. Caracter wasn't. |
So it's Caracter's fault that the Kings didn't double him?
The Knicks and Nuggets apparently though it was worth it to double him. The Kings apparently didn't care too much. Didn't stop Caracter from producing at a high percentage.
None of those doubles Demarcus was receieving were really helping his team anyway. The only reason the Kings even won was because of their superior bench unit. |
I wish Caracter would have shot more. He shot 66% with 6-9 shooting. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Justwar wrote: | Not worth arguing. In the end Caracter will play the Powell role, while Cousins is a franchise player.
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^Cousins has superior upside and definitely should be groomed as a franchise player. But right now he's a big man who's game primarily revolves around guard skills. His big man skills need more work.
Which is something the 22 year old Caracter has developed that the 19 year old Cousins is still working on. Once Cousins develops into a big man I agree that he will be better than Caracter, who IMO has reached most of his potential as far as the offensive end goes.
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| His big man skills are just fine. He's just being doubled and tripled. Wait till teams that will try to match up one on one see. People just see what they wanna see. If he's not a laker it seems that they must suck. |
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| revgen wrote: | | Caracter, who IMO has reached most of his potential as far as the offensive end goes. |
Really? Maybe as a pure scorer but he could certainly become a triangle passer and outside shooter.
Look at how Pau has elevated his overall play later in his career despite already having all those skills.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, don't forget....58th pick against 5th pick. Caracter did a good job guarding him and holding him to only 8 of 20 shooting. |
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