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The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year

LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous.


I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum

seth might be the better defender, tho


really? I don't remember Bullock being a bad defender but I key in on certain players and don't watch others. I remember his defense against Harden being admirable

Idk...

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Find Seth Curry and Reggie Bullock on that list.
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Brandon Ingram $7,265,485
Lonzo Ball $8,719,320
Kyle Kuzma $1,974,600
Josh Hart $1,934,160
Moritz Wagner $2,063,520
Isaac Bonga $1,416,852
LeBron James $38,150,000 (35% of $109mm)
Jermerrio Jones $1,416,852
Reggie Bullock $4,750,000 (cap hold)
D'Angello Russell $27,250,000 (25% of $109mm)
Patrick Beverley $8,162,053 (remainder of cap space=$25.7mm/3 years)
Incomplete Roster Salary Hold $897,158
Luol Deng $5,000,000
= $109,000,000

Brandon Ingram $7,265,485
Lonzo Ball $8,719,320
Josh Hart $1,934,160
Moritz Wagner $2,063,520
Isaac Bonga $1,416,852
Jermerrio Jones $1,416,852
= $22,816,189
x 1.25 + $100,000 = $28,620,236

Anthony Davis = $27,093,019 + $1,527,217 (trade kicker amount that he keeps) = $28,620,236

Re-Sign: Reggie Bullock to $20mm/2 year deal (team option in the second year--expiring contract that can be traded mid-season)
Sign: Trevor Ariza (former Pelinka client) for room exception
Vet minimums: Javale McGee, Trey Burke, Boban Marjanovic, Taj Gibson, Kyle Korver, Alex Caruso

Starting 5

Patrick Beverley
D'Angello Russell
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Javale McGee

Bench

Trey Burke
Reggie Bullock
Trevor Ariza
Kyle Kuzma
Boban Marjanovic
Alex Caruso
Kyle Korver
Taj Gibson

Closing 5: Russell, James, Davis and Beverley/Bullock/Ariza/Kuzma/Korver/Gibson (pick 2 based on matchups and in-game feel)


Thanks for all of the work you put into that. I think your Beverley salary is just too low. We don't know exactly how the market will pan out, but I've seen $10-12 million as being the window for him.


Maybe it’s too low. Or maybe a legit chance at a title and to be able to stay in the city that he has been in for the past two seasons is enough incentive to take such a deal. If not, that amount should get you a league average player at that position (e.g., Collison).


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The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year

LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous.


I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum

seth might be the better defender, tho


No way I agree with that. Seth can only play avg defense against his brother. I wouldn't pay more than vet min for him. Even at room MLE we could do better.

"room MLE" isn't a thing.

Bullock is a fake defender.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:04 pm    Post subject:

So the Bucks gotta pay Brogdon, Middleton and Lopez, and soon Giannis? One of the first three is gone imo.
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So the Bucks gotta pay Brogdon, Middle and Brook, and soon Giannis? One of the first three is gone imo.

They can trade them after paying them.
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KAWHI UPDATE....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:07 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
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The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year

LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous.


I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum

seth might be the better defender, tho


really? I don't remember Bullock being a bad defender but I key in on certain players and don't watch others. I remember his defense against Harden being admirable

Idk...

Link

Find Seth Curry and Reggie Bullock on that list.


eeek. still so hard to suss out the legitimacy of defensive analytics
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https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1143313896008278016

"a lot of changes are going to happen but I cant talk about them cause of NBA rules" MY BODY IS READY


Not to burst anyone’s bubble but she could just be talking about the Davis trade because by NBA rules it’s not official and he is not a Laker till July 6th, 2019. So by the rules she technically can’t discuss it publicly yet.


Davis is one change...she said a lot of changes. Could mean a lot of things.


I wonder if we play her remarks backwards if it will reveal any secret codes.


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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year

LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous.


I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum

seth might be the better defender, tho


really? I don't remember Bullock being a bad defender but I key in on certain players and don't watch others. I remember his defense against Harden being admirable

Idk...

Link

Find Seth Curry and Reggie Bullock on that list.


eeek. still so hard to suss out the legitimacy of defensive analytics

Agreed, but most of us make definitive opinions about a player's defense based on...?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:10 pm    Post subject:

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I hadn't thought of this before, but I wonder what Brogdon's relationship is like with Kidd. That could be a big reason for him to not want to play with us.


IDK, but wasn't he ROY under Kidd?

Brogdon is probably my favorite non-star free agent but he is restricted so its too much risk to go after him just to have the Bucks match our offer while other players get signed up


I like the guy....I just prefer DLo on a 4 year deal. At the end of the deal, DLo will still be younger than Brogdon is right now.


And still won't be putting up 50/40/90
you think you can just plug in numbers into a line up?

This team lacks a PG who can create for himself and team8s.

Kyrie
Kemba
D’lo

If no kawhi


Yeah he wouldn't fit at all I'm just plugging numbers into a lineup. You're right because LeBron James is strictly an off-ball player.


It is not about him being an off-ball player, it is about him needing a guy who can create off the dribble when the paint clogs up in the 4th or as the shot clock runs down. I’m not trying to see LBJ launching from the Logo like last season because he can no longer penetrate at will, it is too predictable.

Kyrie & Wade were those guys for him.


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    Jeanie Buss breaks her silence on the Lakers, and says she has 100% confidence in general manager Rob Pelinka. “We don’t need outside media to validate the things that we do.”
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Shots fired at Ballmer .


Ballmer has gotten deep into her head.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:11 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year

LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous.


I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum

seth might be the better defender, tho


No way I agree with that. Seth can only play avg defense against his brother. I wouldn't pay more than vet min for him. Even at room MLE we could do better.

"room MLE" isn't a thing.

Bullock is a fake defender.


Saying "Room MLE" is an abbreviated way of saying "Mid-Level Salary Exception for Room Teams" as outlined in the CBA. Here's the relevant portion on page 206: https://i.imgur.com/xPFI2KM.png

Here's a HoopsHype article breaking down the three kinds of MLEs available and using the same verbiage:

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Room Mid-Level Exception ($2.898 million in 2016-17):

“Room” is the lowest of the three mid-level exceptions and available to teams that are under the cap enough to lose the more valuable exceptions. The room exception is also shorter in terms of maximum years, and players can only be signed up to two years.


So yes, it is a thing.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:11 pm    Post subject:

Lakerchaq wrote:
LKA wrote:
Lakerchaq wrote:
LKA wrote:
adkindo wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
adkindo wrote:
818fan wrote:
I hadn't thought of this before, but I wonder what Brogdon's relationship is like with Kidd. That could be a big reason for him to not want to play with us.


IDK, but wasn't he ROY under Kidd?

Brogdon is probably my favorite non-star free agent but he is restricted so its too much risk to go after him just to have the Bucks match our offer while other players get signed up


I like the guy....I just prefer DLo on a 4 year deal. At the end of the deal, DLo will still be younger than Brogdon is right now.


And still won't be putting up 50/40/90
you think you can just plug in numbers into a line up?

This team lacks a PG who can create for himself and team8s.

Kyrie
Kemba
D’lo

If no kawhi


Yeah he wouldn't fit at all I'm just plugging numbers into a lineup. You're right because LeBron James is strictly an off-ball player.


It is not about him being an off-ball player, it is about him needing a guy who can create off the dribble when the paint clogs up in the 4th or as the shot clock runs down. I’m not trying to see LBJ launching from the Logo like last season because he can no longer penetrate at will, it is too predictable.

Kyrie & Wade


Paint was clogged up because our lineup last season was 4 non shooters and LeBron.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:12 pm    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Tania Ganguli wrote:

    Jeanie Buss breaks her silence on the Lakers, and says she has 100% confidence in general manager Rob Pelinka. “We don’t need outside media to validate the things that we do.”
Jun 24, 2019ReplyRetweetFavorite


Shots fired at Ballmer .


Jeanie and the Lakers brain trust are suffering from Dunning–Kruger effect


Debbe Dunning + Diane Kruger? Where do I sign up?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:13 pm    Post subject:

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JUST-MING wrote:
Tania Ganguli wrote:

    Jeanie Buss breaks her silence on the Lakers, and says she has 100% confidence in general manager Rob Pelinka. “We don’t need outside media to validate the things that we do.”
Jun 24, 2019ReplyRetweetFavorite


Shots fired at Ballmer .


Ballmer has gotten deep into her head.


not really but she is in ballmers head. his whole campaign is to prove how the lakers are bad by paying mouth pieces like woj and fat windy


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KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
The idiots over at the Lakers subreddit want to pay Seth (bleep) Curry $8+ million per year

LG can get kinda wild but never that ridiculous.


I think Bullock has the higher upside for us next season. He has a chance to be as good of a shooter as Steph, and he's a better defender, passable at the least. Steph shouldn't get more than 6M but you never know. I rather have Bullock for 4, and he could just be a minimum

seth might be the better defender, tho


really? I don't remember Bullock being a bad defender but I key in on certain players and don't watch others. I remember his defense against Harden being admirable

Idk...

Link

Find Seth Curry and Reggie Bullock on that list.


eeek. still so hard to suss out the legitimacy of defensive analytics

Agreed, but most of us make definitive opinions about a player's defense based on...?


right right. there's really no accurate way to pinpoint a player's defense other than a intelligent viewer really honing in on that player's every possession.lol.
just, when a stat has Klay Thompson miles below Seth Curry on defense. it's tough. I'd like to think Klay was at least an average defender (overrated but average), and Seth was slightly below average at best. Some of the rankings are just so nuts, you don't know where to take a large grain of salt, where to take a small grain, and where you should view it as accurate.
I was looking at PIPM yesterday and Nurkic is like the 9th ranked player in the league, above Bron; and Kawhi is like 15tth..with an expected 19th next season. How do I ingest these stats?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:15 pm    Post subject:

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Tania Ganguli wrote:

    Jeanie Buss breaks her silence on the Lakers, and says she has 100% confidence in general manager Rob Pelinka. “We don’t need outside media to validate the things that we do.”
Jun 24, 2019ReplyRetweetFavorite


Shots fired at Ballmer .


I like this read
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venturalakersfan wrote:
ocho wrote:
King Randle wrote:
LFAN4LIFE wrote:
logical24 wrote:
https://twitter.com/ShowtimeForum/status/1143313896008278016

"a lot of changes are going to happen but I cant talk about them cause of NBA rules" MY BODY IS READY


Not to burst anyone’s bubble but she could just be talking about the Davis trade because by NBA rules it’s not official and he is not a Laker till July 6th, 2019. So by the rules she technically can’t discuss it publicly yet.


Davis is one change...she said a lot of changes. Could mean a lot of things.


I wonder if we play her remarks backwards if it will reveal any secret codes.


“Paul is dead”


Come on dude, he's not dead, he's the walrus.
Unless you mean Paul George. That guy is dead to me.
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venturalakersfan wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Tania Ganguli wrote:

    Jeanie Buss breaks her silence on the Lakers, and says she has 100% confidence in general manager Rob Pelinka. “We don’t need outside media to validate the things that we do.”
Jun 24, 2019ReplyRetweetFavorite


Shots fired at Ballmer .


Ballmer has gotten deep into her head.


not really but she in ballmers head. his whole campaign is to prove how the lakers are bad by paying mouth pieces like woj and fat windy


She just admitted there is a rivalry. Especially considering the Forum emails that were leaked. She is concerned with what his executive team is doing.
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I’m glad Jeanie is getting sick of the negativity towards the Lakers, she probably cares as much as anyone when it comes to the Lakers being relevant.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:20 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Tania Ganguli wrote:

    Jeanie Buss breaks her silence on the Lakers, and says she has 100% confidence in general manager Rob Pelinka. “We don’t need outside media to validate the things that we do.”
Jun 24, 2019ReplyRetweetFavorite


Shots fired at Ballmer .


Ballmer has gotten deep into her head.


not really but she in ballmers head. his whole campaign is to prove how the lakers are bad by paying mouth pieces like woj and fat windy


She just admitted there is a rivalry. Especially considering the Forum emails that were leaked. She is concerned with what his executive team is doing.

Fake news? The question and her response didn't have anything to do with Ballmer or the Clips... Jeanie was answering the interviewer's question about whether her confidence in Rob has been unwavering in light of everything that has happened since Magic quit and whatever the media has been reporting (making up) because it looks like it's going to be a good summer for us. To which she answered that she has 100% confidence in Rob and don't need the outside media to validate the work being done.

Starts at 0:54 -


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venturalakersfan wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Tania Ganguli wrote:

    Jeanie Buss breaks her silence on the Lakers, and says she has 100% confidence in general manager Rob Pelinka. “We don’t need outside media to validate the things that we do.”
Jun 24, 2019ReplyRetweetFavorite


Shots fired at Ballmer .


Ballmer has gotten deep into her head.


not really but she in ballmers head. his whole campaign is to prove how the lakers are bad by paying mouth pieces like woj and fat windy


She just admitted there is a rivalry. Especially considering the Forum emails that were leaked. She is concerned with what his executive team is doing.


where? she was taking a shot at fake ass media like woj.
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I hadn't thought of this before, but I wonder what Brogdon's relationship is like with Kidd. That could be a big reason for him to not want to play with us.


IDK, but wasn't he ROY under Kidd?

Brogdon is probably my favorite non-star free agent but he is restricted so its too much risk to go after him just to have the Bucks match our offer while other players get signed up
I like brogdon a lot, but our best bet is Russell. Besides, if we had brogdon we would have two of the heaviest guards in the league on the same team, not necessarily bad but kind of duplication. THC and Brogdon together ad up to 468 pounds in th back court with and average height of about 6-4. Again, not bad, but duplication. We probably being back lance too whi strike me as a heavier guard.
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And still won't be putting up 50/40/90


That is nice and all, but it is just a stat of efficiency....I mean dude could repeat that for the next 5 years and still not even be an All Star. Dlo will have a better career than Brogdon barring injury.....and he will be much better at 27 that Brogdon is today.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:23 pm    Post subject:

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KAWHI UPDATE....

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Also, Broussard seems to think that we have 0% chance at signing Kawhi.
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