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LakerMindLA
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | All we’ve really done for the longterm is trade Russell, Randle and Mosgov for Lebron and Kuzma.
It’s up for debate whether around Ingram Ball - would LBJ Kuzma be > or < than DLO Randle
Let’s see how this plays out but no way am I ready to conclude we are closer to a championship without Lebron and Kuzma but with Randle and DLO. |
We could have had all 4 so it shouldn’t have to be a discussion. |
You don’t get Lebron without clearing cap space
Making the DLo trade was integral to landing LBJ and the draft pick led to Kuzma.
Sure we could have traded Ingram instead or even Ball, and I’m ok with that argument. However one of the three main assets had to go for the Mosgov contract to be taken on. |
1) We didn't need to trade Mosgov to have the cap-space - if we waived him and stretched him, we would've had the cap space.
2) We didn't need to trade him when he still had 3 years left. We could've waited another year, when the price to trade him would have dropped.
3) We could have still drafted Kuzma with the 28th pick. Essentially the trade netted us Hart and Bryant. |
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LakerMindLA
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| Quote: | | Giving up on Russell -- a pace-and-space guard suited for the modern NBA -- after just two seasons was a risk, but L.A. got back a former All-Star in Lopez and a pick that turned into Kyle Kuzma. Plus, L.A. got out from under Mozgov's monstrosity of a deal. |
They make this sound like a good move. We all know it wasn't.
They don't even discuss the decision to say no to Cousin's for $5mil a year.
They don't even talk about the horrible decision to waive Deng when they did. |
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BigBoi
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| Should’ve kept Lopez, that’s who you traded Russell for, an All-Star. The ideal stretch 5 that would fit perfectly with other superstars. Letting him walk is the most idiotic move this FO has made so far besides trading Zubac for Muscala |
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Joe Pesci
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You're only in bad shape in the NBA if you have bad talent and bad contracts. The Lakers have neither. Talk of the Laker's horrible future outlook is just noise.
There are teams making the playoffs this year that'd love to trade places with the Lakers.
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LakerMindLA
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| Joe Pesci wrote: | You're only in bad shape in the NBA if you have bad talent and bad contracts. The Lakers have neither. Talk of the Laker's horrible future outlook is just noise.
There are teams making the playoffs this year that'd love to trade places with the Lakers. |
According to that logic, all these teams have a great future.
New York Knicks
Dallas Mavericks
Atlanta Hawks
Chicago Bulls
Sacramento Kings
Phoenix Suns |
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l4kerz
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Quote: | | Giving up on Russell -- a pace-and-space guard suited for the modern NBA -- after just two seasons was a risk, but L.A. got back a former All-Star in Lopez and a pick that turned into Kyle Kuzma. Plus, L.A. got out from under Mozgov's monstrosity of a deal. |
They make this sound like a good move. We all know it wasn't.
They don't even discuss the decision to say no to Cousin's for $5mil a year.
They don't even talk about the horrible decision to waive Deng when they did. |
So, it was bad idea to waive Deng but a good idea to waive Mozgov? Make up your mind |
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LakerMindLA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| l4kerz wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Quote: | | Giving up on Russell -- a pace-and-space guard suited for the modern NBA -- after just two seasons was a risk, but L.A. got back a former All-Star in Lopez and a pick that turned into Kyle Kuzma. Plus, L.A. got out from under Mozgov's monstrosity of a deal. |
They make this sound like a good move. We all know it wasn't.
They don't even discuss the decision to say no to Cousin's for $5mil a year.
They don't even talk about the horrible decision to waive Deng when they did. |
So, it was bad idea to waive Deng but a good idea to waive Mozgov? Make up your mind |
You're missing the point.
It isn't a bad idea to waive someone and stretch when you need to waive them for an immediate move. It is a bad idea to play your hand before you're forced to.
If Lebron said to the Lakers, I want to sign, you immediately waive Moz or Deng.
Lakers likely could have traded Deng for almost nothing this offseason. Waiving him a year early to create $1m of extra cap room to sign Durant was a premature move that has cost the lakers a lot of flexibility.
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cvballa
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| Chronicle wrote: | | worst FO in all sports |
Our scouting department and player dev department save us from it being that bad. But yeah, it’s definitely bottom 5. |
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trablos
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Interesting tidbits for me (and I like Dave McM...).
-Corey Brewer spilled the beans on Lakers/Magic to PG13 when he joined OKC.
-we were interested in trading for Jimmy. |
Wtf did we do to Brewer? |
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Joe Pesci
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Joe Pesci wrote: | You're only in bad shape in the NBA if you have bad talent and bad contracts. The Lakers have neither. Talk of the Laker's horrible future outlook is just noise.
There are teams making the playoffs this year that'd love to trade places with the Lakers. |
According to that logic, all these teams have a great future.
New York Knicks
Dallas Mavericks
Atlanta Hawks
Chicago Bulls
Sacramento Kings
Phoenix Suns |
Hard to believe you typed this trying to prove a point that the teams you listed DON'T have great futures.
If people would open up the other side of their brains long enough to inject reality, in spite of the outside noise, they'd be better off.
You are so desperate to produce a counterargument to my truth that you made yourself look silly.
Again, bad talent and bad contracts equals bad future. Chicago, Phoenix, and New York are the only teams who even remotely fit that criteria.
Read before hitting that submit button.
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| Kava wrote: | F me that article was brutal.
Sell the team already. According to Jeanie, Maglinka's exceeding her expectations.
UGH! This fish is rotting from the top of the head. |
I'd like to know what the definition of doing a terrible job would be...
BTW, Lebron's CBS show debuted this week. It was obvious he was coming here to set his roots in Hollywood. |
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7
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In terms of disappointment and embarrassment, this year tops 2012 and 2016 seasons.
Everything that could have reasonably go wrong, did go wrong, and the worst part of it is that most of it was predictable (no shooters, abandonment of "development", trade rumors killing team chemistry, even LeBron getting hurt-- because of age mileage) and this organization did nothing to prepare itself or prevent those things. |
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VicXLakers
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| trablos wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Interesting tidbits for me (and I like Dave McM...).
-Corey Brewer spilled the beans on Lakers/Magic to PG13 when he joined OKC.
-we were interested in trading for Jimmy. |
Wtf did we do to Brewer? |
nothing...more league wide bs |
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pjiddy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | Quote: | | Giving up on Russell -- a pace-and-space guard suited for the modern NBA -- after just two seasons was a risk, but L.A. got back a former All-Star in Lopez and a pick that turned into Kyle Kuzma. Plus, L.A. got out from under Mozgov's monstrosity of a deal. |
They make this sound like a good move. We all know it wasn't.
They don't even discuss the decision to say no to Cousin's for $5mil a year.
They don't even talk about the horrible decision to waive Deng when they did. |
Lopez is gone now and Kuzma<<<<DLO. |
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jg77
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#savethekids
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I've seen it repeatedly linked in here, scared to open it up and watch it.
(bleep). I knew I shouldnt have watched it. 
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| cvballa wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | worst FO in all sports |
Our scouting department and player dev department save us from it being that bad. But yeah, it’s definitely bottom 5. |
idk about player dev
Scouting is the one thing we're good at. Although you can't convince me Wagner isn't a Magic Johnson pick so he'll stifle our one strength too. |
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| trablos wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Interesting tidbits for me (and I like Dave McM...).
-Corey Brewer spilled the beans on Lakers/Magic to PG13 when he joined OKC.
-we were interested in trading for Jimmy. |
Wtf did we do to Brewer? |
Brewer to PG: "You don't want to go to a team where *I* would be considered a "sweetener." |
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Sentient Meat
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| pjiddy wrote: | | trablos wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Interesting tidbits for me (and I like Dave McM...).
-Corey Brewer spilled the beans on Lakers/Magic to PG13 when he joined OKC.
-we were interested in trading for Jimmy. |
Wtf did we do to Brewer? |
Brewer to PG: "You don't want to go to a team where *I* would be considered a "sweetener." |
lol |
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venturalakersfan
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | All we’ve really done for the longterm is trade Russell, Randle and Mosgov for Lebron and Kuzma.
It’s up for debate whether around Ingram Ball - would LBJ Kuzma be > or < than DLO Randle
Let’s see how this plays out but no way am I ready to conclude we are closer to a championship without Lebron and Kuzma but with Randle and DLO. |
We could have had all 4 so it shouldn’t have to be a discussion. |
You don’t get Lebron without clearing cap space
Making the DLo trade was integral to landing LBJ and the draft pick led to Kuzma.
Sure we could have traded Ingram instead or even Ball, and I’m ok with that argument. However one of the three main assets had to go for the Mosgov contract to be taken on. |
1) We didn't need to trade Mosgov to have the cap-space - if we waived him and stretched him, we would've had the cap space.
2) We didn't need to trade him when he still had 3 years left. We could've waited another year, when the price to trade him would have dropped.
3) We could have still drafted Kuzma with the 28th pick. Essentially the trade netted us Hart and Bryant. |
I don’t get why people are so involved in us getting Kuzma, he is your average NBA player and there are many of those in the league.
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DLo .... you realize he would not be the player he is today if he stayed in LA
1. Kenny Atkinson is a 100x better coach than Walton and he specializes in PGs ... Jeremy Lin breakout player anyone?
2. Money DLo knows he needs to put it together to get paid
Quit with the hindsight. Ridiculous |
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| YSong wrote: | DLo .... you realize he would not be the player he is today if he stayed in LA
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No we don’t because that’s something you made up
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | YSong wrote: | DLo .... you realize he would not be the player he is today if he stayed in LA
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No we don’t because that’s something you made up |
LoL telling yourself that |
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If anything... The Lakers got scammed.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | All we’ve really done for the longterm is trade Russell, Randle and Mosgov for Lebron and Kuzma.
It’s up for debate whether around Ingram Ball - would LBJ Kuzma be > or < than DLO Randle
Let’s see how this plays out but no way am I ready to conclude we are closer to a championship without Lebron and Kuzma but with Randle and DLO. |
We could have had all 4 so it shouldn’t have to be a discussion. |
You don’t get Lebron without clearing cap space
Making the DLo trade was integral to landing LBJ and the draft pick led to Kuzma.
Sure we could have traded Ingram instead or even Ball, and I’m ok with that argument. However one of the three main assets had to go for the Mosgov contract to be taken on. |
1) We didn't need to trade Mosgov to have the cap-space - if we waived him and stretched him, we would've had the cap space.
2) We didn't need to trade him when he still had 3 years left. We could've waited another year, when the price to trade him would have dropped.
3) We could have still drafted Kuzma with the 28th pick. Essentially the trade netted us Hart and Bryant. |
I don’t get why people are so involved in us getting Kuzma, he is your average NBA player and there are many of those in the league. |
A longterm asset is valuable. He’s making vet min money and giving the team 18.5 ppg, shoots the 3, is a versatile player on offense can play 3 or 4.
We need to weigh it as this longterm.
Lebron Kuzma Ingram Ball plus one Max player vs
Randle Ingram DLO Ball plus one MAX player
Keeping Randle and DLO longterm means LA is paying a combined worth of one super max player |
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