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| We are not getting Lowry. HE is still a BEAST and is key to Toronto's championship run. |
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I think it's fairly clear that any free agent/trade target will have to fit into the defense-first mantra of this championship Lakers team.
If you are susceptible to be picked on defensively, that may make that player unlikely to be on this team.
That was the brilliance of this team. With the exception of maybe Rondo (not Playoff Rondo), almost every player in our main rotation was not a tremendous defensive liability.
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Also, Bobby Marks made an interesting point on Zach Lowe's podcast.
What if AD takes a 1+1 (2nd year player option), so that in 2021, both he and LBJ could decide (whether likely or not), to take small paycuts to fit in a 3rd max level player.
Previously we thought it was just LBJ who would have to take a sizeable paycut, but what if AD Is also willing to as well?
Is it likely? Who knows. But if they both decided to take a shared paycut to bring in a 3rd star, that makes some sense. AD could then float a year out so he can be a 10 year service max and get a bigger max thereafter.
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This Nets team is so weird.
| Quote: | | Mike D’Antoni and Ime Udoka are finalizing deals to become assistant coaches under Steve Nash with the Brooklyn Nets, sources tell ESPN. Together, D’Antoni and Nash were the architects of the Seven Seconds or Less Offense with the Phoenix Suns in the mid-2000’s. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:58 am Post subject: |
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East is going to be more of a bloodbath at top now.
Heat
Bucks
Nets
76ers with new staff
Celtics
Toronto
Good.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | I am of the belief that KCP needs to bet on himself and leave the Lakers to set up his future. |
He has made $50m in his career. He is set for life already and will probably make over $100m in his career. |
Well . . . there have been an awful lot of athletes who made $50M or more in their careers and wound up broke. I really like to think that this is becoming less common. I'm not sure that it is, though. |
Agree. We have these threads/posts all the time about this guy or that guy is going to take “less” because they already made “x”. In some cases, sure that is true. But it is not normally years and MILLIONs that they they sacrifice. IE would KCP really pass up say a 4 year $50m contract for two years and $24 with the Lakers (just making something up). It’s highly doubtful. Hell LeBron makes likely two or three times the amount a year or his salary just in endorsements and he even said he will never take less in a contract than what he feels he is worth. The whole idea of guys sacrificing significant money and years just to play on a certain team (in their prime) especially after they already have a ring happens very RARELY. Again, sacrifice a million or two, sure it happens. But leaving tens of millions on the table is very rare. I highly doubt KCP is going to pass up two or three years of extra security and $20+ million again in his prime just to chase another ring with Bron and team. The Lakers are going to have to pay to keep him. And I bet he and his agent are going to expect DG type money
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Oubre / Kuzma swap.
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | Oubre / Kuzma swap. |
Oubre makes almost $15m a season and is already a better player than Kuz. Plus Suns believe they can make a playoff run this year. No way they do this trade. People are really over valuing what Kuz alone can really bring back. |
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| €H£M£$TR¥ wrote: | | Oubre / Kuzma swap. |
I am big oubre fan but no
28/ 2nd should be enough for a guy who is coming off a major injury and has 1 year left |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Kuz + 28th pick + Cook for De'Andre Hunter. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | East is going to be more of a bloodbath at top now.
Heat
Bucks
Nets
76ers with new staff
Celtics
Toronto
Good. |
People used to say the East was weak and that’s why Bron made the finals every time.
Maybe the real narrative is everybody is just scared of Bron and players just tend to flock the hell away from him. |
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | I am of the belief that KCP needs to bet on himself and leave the Lakers to set up his future. With the Lakers he will always be the 4th option putting up modest stats and will never receive the major contract to set up his future life. He will be 28 next year with maybe 2 more contracts in his prime.
While it has been stated there is pressure on Pelinka on how he will treat klutch players I believe Klutch is also under the gun to not only maximize their clients contracts but also to not hamstrung the Lakers financially and hinder their chances of acquiring players who can maximize Lebron and AD's opportunity to win future championships.
Does Rich Paul have to consider maximizing Lebrons and maybe to a lesser extent AD's championship run the next 2-3 years which means KCP moves on? Same applies to Pelinka. |
The 'problem' is we always chase these max superstars, so once we have our sights on one (Giannis next summer), we give out contracts that expire then and give us space to go for the big fish. Thats why we arent a good place for these role players looking for long term contracts. Thats why we probably lose Rondo as well (hes a early Bird so we can pay him, but wed have to give a 2 year contract minimum). KCP we have his full bird rights, so if hes OK with a 1 year deal, pay him whatever we can for all i care. Its up to him, go for a long term contract elsewhere now or next summer |
We have landed two max superstars since 1996. But we have brought in top 5-10 talent via trade many more times in that time period. Hopefully the FO learned from the Kawhi situation, FAs using the Lakers as bargaining chips is common.
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| textbook wrote: | What about Lowry?
Raptors will have to choose between him and Van fleet. I don’t think they pay big dollars to two point guards. He’s 34 and in the last year of his contract.
Kuzma, green, first rd pick, 2 second rd picks, cook.
They say no then we add tht or another first |
Why would Toronto have to decide between Lowry and Van Vleet? They already gave up on Green, I doubt that they have interest in him.
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Is he any better or smarter than Javale? |
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| anth2000 wrote: |
Is he any better or smarter than Javale? |
He’s definitely on the radar, especially if we don’t get Ibaka. KOC talked about it a few weeks ago. Supposedly, he’s improved as a three point shooter. He’s a monster on the boards. And he can defend the perimeter better than most bigs. With his daughter in LA, I can see either the Lakers or the Clippers.
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| 1 big factor between Howard and Tristan Thompson is the age difference, even if TT can’t guard the elite bigs like Howard can he is just 29 and has more of a offensive defined game then Howard, he can also rebound the ball like a crazy mofo. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | GOODRICH25 wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | I am of the belief that KCP needs to bet on himself and leave the Lakers to set up his future. With the Lakers he will always be the 4th option putting up modest stats and will never receive the major contract to set up his future life. He will be 28 next year with maybe 2 more contracts in his prime.
While it has been stated there is pressure on Pelinka on how he will treat klutch players I believe Klutch is also under the gun to not only maximize their clients contracts but also to not hamstrung the Lakers financially and hinder their chances of acquiring players who can maximize Lebron and AD's opportunity to win future championships.
Does Rich Paul have to consider maximizing Lebrons and maybe to a lesser extent AD's championship run the next 2-3 years which means KCP moves on? Same applies to Pelinka. |
The 'problem' is we always chase these max superstars, so once we have our sights on one (Giannis next summer), we give out contracts that expire then and give us space to go for the big fish. Thats why we arent a good place for these role players looking for long term contracts. Thats why we probably lose Rondo as well (hes a early Bird so we can pay him, but wed have to give a 2 year contract minimum). KCP we have his full bird rights, so if hes OK with a 1 year deal, pay him whatever we can for all i care. Its up to him, go for a long term contract elsewhere now or next summer |
We have landed two max superstars since 1996. But we have brought in top 5-10 talent via trade many more times in that time period. Hopefully the FO learned from the Kawhi situation, FAs using the Lakers as bargaining chips is common. |
So you’re saying we should give KCP a 3+1 rather than maintain financial flexibility for a loaded 2021? I know Paul George screwed us twice and melts away in the playoffs, but wouldn’t he be an ideal 3rd star in 2021? And with Lebron’s age, we can’t keep rolling him out there and asking him to carry that much of the burden. A star point guard would also be great in 2021. I’m not against the idea of long term role players, but it’s also clear we need someone who can carry us when Lebron is resting and AD doesn’t have it. Like a younger, more consistent Playoff Rondo.
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| ocho wrote: | This Nets team is so weird.
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Haha. D'Antonio is now Tex and Nash is Phil. Or, D'Antonio takes over when Nash gets fired. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 1 big factor between Howard and Tristan Thompson is the age difference, even if TT can’t guard the elite bigs like Howard can he is just 29 and has more of a offensive defined game then Howard, he can also rebound the ball like a crazy mofo. |
TT will never be better than Howard. Also, Kardashians are a distraction. |
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| Don’t discount the possibility that our coaching staff can help TT become a better defensive big. |
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| l4kerz wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | 1 big factor between Howard and Tristan Thompson is the age difference, even if TT can’t guard the elite bigs like Howard can he is just 29 and has more of a offensive defined game then Howard, he can also rebound the ball like a crazy mofo. |
TT will never be better than Howard. Also, Kardashians are a distraction. |
Right now the only thing Howard has on Thompson is the defensive edge, but everything else TT has the advantage, we are not talking about Prime Howard. |
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Tristan Thompson, who I still think is out of the Lakers’ price range, is a significant upgrade over Javale McGee and even Dwight Howard at this stage of his career. The single most useful thing that Thompson brings to the table is the ability to switch onto perimeter players and hold his own. If you look back at the 2016 Finals, there are multiple possessions in which Tristan Thompson switched out onto someone like Klay Thompson and then chased him around the perimeter through multiple screens. While he isn’t anywhere near the rim protector that Howard or McGee are, his ability to switch is arguably more valuable in the playoffs especially against teams like Golden State and Miami that destroy drop coverages and expose slow-footed big men.
On the offensive end, Thompson is an elite offensive rebounder. He is a solid roll man as well. He’s also actually a decent passer as a role man. |
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