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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:11 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | lurklurk wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Trez’s passing is actually decent. He is actually sneaky good from top of the key finding guys on back door cut, etc.
The perplexing thing with Trez is how he is a poor defensive rebounder, especially when he is elite on the offensive rebounding end. |
Facilitating from the nail and from the post is totally different. |
I think the thing with Trez is in the post he is so focused on beating his man. He doesn’t particularly look to pass. It’s back down or face up and try to score
It’s basically:
1) drive to the basket
2) drive to the basket
3) drive to the basket
4) pull up for midrange
22) pass it out of post |
Which is amazing if you think about it. Teams already know what he likes and what his options are yet he is still very efficient at it. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:31 am Post subject: |
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lurklurk wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | lurklurk wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Trez’s passing is actually decent. He is actually sneaky good from top of the key finding guys on back door cut, etc.
The perplexing thing with Trez is how he is a poor defensive rebounder, especially when he is elite on the offensive rebounding end. |
Facilitating from the nail and from the post is totally different. |
I think the thing with Trez is in the post he is so focused on beating his man. He doesn’t particularly look to pass. It’s back down or face up and try to score
It’s basically:
1) drive to the basket
2) drive to the basket
3) drive to the basket
4) pull up for midrange
22) pass it out of post |
Which is amazing if you think about it. Teams already know what he likes and what his options are yet he is still very efficient at it. |
Exactly what a team needs coming off the bench. Relentless effort. That's why he's "Sixth Man of TheYear." |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:46 am Post subject: |
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lurklurk wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | lurklurk wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | Trez’s passing is actually decent. He is actually sneaky good from top of the key finding guys on back door cut, etc.
The perplexing thing with Trez is how he is a poor defensive rebounder, especially when he is elite on the offensive rebounding end. |
Facilitating from the nail and from the post is totally different. |
I think the thing with Trez is in the post he is so focused on beating his man. He doesn’t particularly look to pass. It’s back down or face up and try to score
It’s basically:
1) drive to the basket
2) drive to the basket
3) drive to the basket
4) pull up for midrange
22) pass it out of post |
Which is amazing if you think about it. Teams already know what he likes and what his options are yet he is still very efficient at it. |
No doubt. He is truly elite at what he’s good at.
Just need him to be serviceable on defense and snatch a few more defensive rebounds. |
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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Im curious how the gasol-trezz tandem would work off the bench. First I acknowledge that we’re not yet sure if vogel will pair them up. For all we know, it will still be trezz-kief or trezz-kuz.
But if ever gasol and trezz are paired up, i think trezz can play off gasol effectively. For one, im imagining gasol would be perfect to throw the entry pass to trezz during his post ups. His height allows him to see trezz properly and not be bothered too much. Trezz can also move well without the ball and create passing angles which marc will definitely take advantage. Lastly, Gasol can hopefully cover trezz defensive mistakes and cover the defensive boards while trezz takes care of the offensive side. |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:09 am Post subject: |
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lurklurk wrote: | Im curious how the gasol-trezz tandem would work off the bench. |
Zubac isn't the shooter that Gasol is but they barely played together with the Clippers last time (Harrell/Zubac). They only were paired for 7 minutes all season, across 5 different games.
They actually played very well in those limited minutes though with an offensive rating of 140, and a defensive rating of 100. So a +40. But they didn't feel comfortable enough to play them together for more than 7 minutes all season. By the numbers there though that is promising that maybe Gasol and Harrell could make it work. Gasol obviously is a better shooter and passer, where Zubac is a better slasher and post up guy. On paper at least Gasol would seem to be a better fit for Trez's game. |
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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:15 am Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | lurklurk wrote: | Im curious how the gasol-trezz tandem would work off the bench. |
Zubac isn't the shooter that Gasol is but they barely played together with the Clippers last time (Harrell/Zubac). They only were paired for 7 minutes all season, across 5 different games.
They actually played very well in those limited minutes though with an offensive rating of 140, and a defensive rating of 100. So a +40. But they didn't feel comfortable enough to play them together for more than 7 minutes all season. By the numbers there though that is promising that maybe Gasol and Harrell could make it work. Gasol obviously is a better shooter and passer, where Zubac is a better slasher and post up guy. On paper at least Gasol would seem to be a better fit for Trez's game. |
Im worried about perimeter defense honestly, mostly how we would rotate and closeout to shooters. Trezz isnt exactly a world beater in terms closing out and a slow-footed gasol might make it easy for teams to take advantage of. |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:54 am Post subject: |
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lurklurk wrote: | Im worried about perimeter defense honestly, mostly how we would rotate and closeout to shooters. Trezz isnt exactly a world beater in terms closing out and a slow-footed gasol might make it easy for teams to take advantage of. |
I have the same concerns. To be honest when I looked that up, especially when it was on like page 5 of the Clippers minutes I was expecting them to be a huge negative together. So them being a big positive was surprising and encouraging. But it's also a small sample size. |
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lurklurk Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | lurklurk wrote: | Im worried about perimeter defense honestly, mostly how we would rotate and closeout to shooters. Trezz isnt exactly a world beater in terms closing out and a slow-footed gasol might make it easy for teams to take advantage of. |
I have the same concerns. To be honest when I looked that up, especially when it was on like page 5 of the Clippers minutes I was expecting them to be a huge negative together. So them being a big positive was surprising and encouraging. But it's also a small sample size. |
It’s comforting on some way, marc is definitely a better complement to trezz than zu. Also we are a deep team, we dont need stick with the pairing if it doesnt work. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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FYI:
Montrezl Harrell has averaged 20.7 points on 65% shooting in his past seven games. |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2021/4/1/22362504/lakers-frank-vogel-wants-marc-gasol-montrezl-harrell-to-play-together
“It’s a lineup that I think can work,” Vogel said during his pregame media availability on Wednesday. “We haven’t really had a need to go to that up to this point in the season, but it’s definitely something we’re going to look at... the way it (would) work is, offensively, Marc is basically the 4 with Trezz being the 5 and, defensively, Marc’s the 5 and Trezz is the 4. It’s something that I’m actually excited to see.”
He should have use it against the Bucks then, when will he try using it? In the playoffs? c'mon |
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MookieBetts50 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Is Trez okay, very quiet game from him tonight. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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MookieBetts50 wrote: | Is Trez okay, very quiet game from him tonight. |
He had 10 boards and was aggressive. We really didn't need his scoring punch tonight because everyone else contributed their share. Plus Gasol played well. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | MookieBetts50 wrote: | Is Trez okay, very quiet game from him tonight. |
He had 10 boards and was aggressive. We really didn't need his scoring punch tonight because everyone else contributed their share. Plus Gasol played well. |
Well, that's a relief, thought he too is dealing with an injury or something as he was way more passive than we've ever seen him. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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BS ejection
Thanks for having your teammate's back |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Trez should’ve body slammed all 3 refs and gotten his ejections worth. _________________ |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | FYI:
Montrezl Harrell has averaged 20.7 points on 65% shooting in his past seven games. |
Yet people want to move him.
Just works, doesn’t talk. |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nash Vegas wrote: | Trez should’ve body slammed all 3 refs and gotten his ejections worth. |
Yeah, but what about suspensions |
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BlueNGold Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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At first, I hated seeing Trez ejected. But you can really see the spark that it lit under the team.
Great teammate for standing up for Dennis. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | BS ejection
Thanks for having your teammate's back | |
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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With all the injuries, trade talk, and poor peformance this season, really glad to see Trez stick up for his pg like that. This team needed it. Might just be the spark we need to help give us a boost til AD and Bron return |
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Nash Vegas Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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mad55557777 wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Trez should’ve body slammed all 3 refs and gotten his ejections worth. |
Yeah, but what about suspensions |
My bad, he should suplex all 3. _________________ |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Paint defense is better without him out there though. |
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leking006 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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BlueNGold wrote: | At first, I hated seeing Trez ejected. But you can really see the spark that it lit under the team.
Great teammate for standing up for Dennis. |
No hole in that defense, got ejected |
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Ryan Ward
@RyanWardLA
Montrezl Harrell on if he had any issues with Raptors players: "My beef is with anybody who doesn't have a Lakers jersey." |
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alleyoop Star Player
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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PenG_ wrote: | Quote: | Ryan Ward
@RyanWardLA
Montrezl Harrell on if he had any issues with Raptors players: "My beef is with anybody who doesn't have a Lakers jersey." |
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Love this quote. Trezz is certainly a 'bleed for the jersey' kind of guy _________________ #18 next... |
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