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scoobs
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | BI’s worst enemy is the coaching staff. It’s why I think we should trade him now. He’s not being optimally developed here and I’m afraid 2 years from now his “high ceiling” allure will be gone and trade value greatly reduced |
trade BI and Ball to Chatlotte for Kemba. Kupchak drafted BI, maybe it will be good for both parties. |
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Im just not seeing enough from any of our youth (besides Kuzma) that shows me they will be ready to fill out our team and get us a championship next season with lebron+kawhi/durant. I'm also not seeing much long term trajectory for them as being able to keep us rolling as a championship team after Lebron is retired. And theres too much parity and competition in the NBA now to try to build up a decade long dynasty. I much rather sell high on our assets and go all out on a 3-4 year championship run starting next year. I
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RusselDoeee01
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| scoobs wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | BI’s worst enemy is the coaching staff. It’s why I think we should trade him now. He’s not being optimally developed here and I’m afraid 2 years from now his “high ceiling” allure will be gone and trade value greatly reduced |
trade BI and Ball to Chatlotte for Kemba. Kupchak drafted BI, maybe it will be good for both parties. |
Kemba is horrible on defense and very streaky on offense. |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| scoobs wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | BI’s worst enemy is the coaching staff. It’s why I think we should trade him now. He’s not being optimally developed here and I’m afraid 2 years from now his “high ceiling” allure will be gone and trade value greatly reduced |
trade BI and Ball to Chatlotte for Kemba. Kupchak drafted BI, maybe it will be good for both parties. |
Hell no. |
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LakersRGolden
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For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
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Bard207
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
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LakersRGolden
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| Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
Well, I think he can be the #1 option on a non-contender yet playoff team, and that would have value to a subset of teams. But you are right, we wouldn't be getting our #2 pick value back. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
His best value might have been in a Paul George trade.
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BigGameHames
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
His best value might have been in a Paul George trade. |
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epak
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
His best value might have been in a Paul George trade. |
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LakerLogic
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
His best value might have been in a Paul George trade. |
I don't think Indy trades PG for BI with all that tampering shenanigans. |
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venturalakersfan
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| epak wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
His best value might have been in a Paul George trade. |
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Not for some of us
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BigGameHames
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | epak wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
His best value might have been in a Paul George trade. |
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The power of hindsight. |
Not for some of us |
I wanted to make the trade then as well but it wasn’t as obvious of a move as it is now with hindsight. |
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Bard207
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| LakersRGolden wrote: | | Bard207 wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | For me, it boils down to 3 questions
1) Can BI be the #1 option on a Championship team?
2) Can BI coexist with a #1 on a Championship Team?
3) If 1 and 2 become No, should we hang on to roleplayer BI instead of cashing him in on other role players (multiple)?
When the answer becomes No to all 3 of those, we have a problem.
Right now, I'm at Unlikely, Maybe, No but they're trending towards all three No. I hope those answers change. |
When the answer is No for all three of your questions, it will be too late to get significant value for him in a trade. |
Well, I think he can be the #1 option on a non-contender yet playoff team, and that would have value to a subset of teams. But you are right, we wouldn't be getting our #2 pick value back. |
I looked at the rosters of other teams and there aren't many situations that fit your specifications and would also have the team willing to send a decent first round pick for him. |
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Sina
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| With his body strength condition and skill level, I see his prime would come in his 5th to 6th year. He would be a 20+ ppg player later this year or next. He would be valuable given his ability break the defense, his playmaking and his defense. He is a keeper! |
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ducasse2
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| scoobs wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | BI’s worst enemy is the coaching staff. It’s why I think we should trade him now. He’s not being optimally developed here and I’m afraid 2 years from now his “high ceiling” allure will be gone and trade value greatly reduced |
trade BI and Ball to Chatlotte for Kemba. Kupchak drafted BI, maybe it will be good for both parties. |
That would be an awful deal for the Lakers. Kemba can't defend anyone. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Sina wrote: | | With his body strength condition and skill level, I see his prime would come in his 5th to 6th year. He would be a 20+ ppg player later this year or next. He would be valuable given his ability break the defense, his playmaking and his defense. He is a keeper! |
If he is a 20ppg scorer for us next year, something went wrong this offseason. |
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audioaxes
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:54 am Post subject: |
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if/when we sign a big FA next year it is most likely going to be a wing player: (Kawhi, Durant, Middleton, Tobias)
when this happens there's very little room for BI anyway:
Point Guard
*Free Agent signee*
Lebron
Kuz
Center
might as well pump him up this year and sell high before his value drops further playing as a 6th man with one less year on his rookie contract
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