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yinoma2001
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:07 am Post subject:

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Raptors said no to Dennis/KCP.

Lakers didn't want to do Dennis/KCP/THT.

So what exactly are we offering the Raps for Lowry again that the Raps would take, especially given the likely chance that they draft a guard Thursday and have FVV already there?

At that time, Lowry was not a free agent. They could hold on to him. Now, he is and he can walk for nothing. If he says Lakers.....than its Lakers or Toronto is left with an empty bag.

The issue is salary matching. One report says Lowry wants 30m/year for 3 years.

It would probably be better for the Raps to let him walk for nothing rather than have a S&T Dennis (hard capped) and other salaries. They could have upwards of 25m+ in cap space if they let Lowry walk.

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Bulls head coach Bill Donovan is reportedly interested in a reunion with Dennis Schröder. Here’s what that could mean for the Lakers.

https://twitter.com/LakersSBN/status/1420436582780317696?s=19

This is a good example of how spitballing morphs into fact. The source for this report is a spitballing article by Windhorst about the point guard market:

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Beyond those veterans, there's a deep list of guards who are seeking big paydays. Dennis Schroder turned down a four-year, $84 million extension from the Lakers this winter and is an unrestricted free agent. And he could have options. Bulls coach Billy Donovan had success with Schroder in Oklahoma City and is believed to be interested in a possible reunion.

That's pretty vague and just looks like spitballing. So the next writer drops out the qualifying words "believed to be" and possible," and suddenly it looks like an actual sourced report.

Who knows? It might be true. The Bulls have always been viewed as a possible bidder for Schroder. I guess we'll find out next week.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:17 am Post subject:

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PG- Lowry 19, AC 6, vet min 1.6
SG- Demar 14, THT 8, Matthews 1.6
SF- LBJ 41.2 Ariza 1,6 Iggy 1,6
PF- Davis 35.4 Melo 1,6
C- Jav 1.6 Dwight 1.6 Kieff 1.6
Deng 5

141.4 which leaves a roster spot and a pro rated vet min available at for the BO market.

The vet min is not a flat $1.6M. It scales with the number of years of experience. For players like Howard, Anthony, and Ariza, it's going to be at least $2.56M. I think the minimum salary scale increases over time, so that may not be the exact number for this season.

As for the rest, if we could actually get all of those players for such low salary numbers, cool.

Right, but the vet minimum is partially paid by the league, not 100% by the team. The 1.6 number represents what a 3+ year vet counts as cap space against the team. It scales between like 900K and 1.6 mil in terms of it counts against the cap. So in my example I was figuring we would be signing 3+year vets. The actual salary is like 2.564mil, but only 1.6 counts against the teams cap, as the league pays the remainder. Only on one year deals however.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:18 am Post subject:

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The Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers are among the teams interested in trading for Brooklyn’s Landry Shamet ahead of Thursday’s draft, per SNY sources.

If they traded Shamet to Los Angeles, they could move up to No. 22.

Actually saw that last night...it’s a good trade to consider to sprinkle some shooting and young assets around the squad after the big deals get done.

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Shamet/Alize/#27/#44
For
Marc/McK/#22
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Alize is in a slightly cheaper nonguaranteed deal and Shamet gives us some shooting and spot minutes as a backup PG. Plus he’s a better cheaper asset than Marc currently is. Plus we get a 2nd rounder back (gone with Svi to Detroit in that bullocks deal).

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The report makes sense. The Nets shopped Shamet earlier in the season in an effort to land a first-round pick they could have in turn repackaged and shipped off in the megadeal for James Harden. When they didn’t get any offers they liked, they ended up having to include Jarrett Allen instead.

Shamet is under control and a bargain because he’s still on his rookie contract. After struggling through his first 16 games this past season — averaging just five points on .286 shooting from 3-point range — the young off-guard came around. Shamet averaged 10.8 points on .408 from deep over 45 games the rest of the way.

The Nets have until Oct. 18 to extended Shamet. It remains to be seen if they will, or even if they will package him to move up in the first round. The Lakers, who have the 22nd-overall pick, are open to moving back, according to ESPN.

The Nets, who have picks Nos. 27, 44, 49 and 59, could package their three second-round picks to consolidate and move up.

https://nypost.com/2021/07/28/nets-might-trade-landry-shamet-to-move-up-in-nba-draft/

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:18 am Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:

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At that time, Lowry was not a free agent. They could hold on to him. Now, he is and he can walk for nothing. If he says Lakers.....than its Lakers or Toronto is left with an empty bag.

They can always flip what we send them. They are assets. Its the reason why the Lakers are most definitely gonna sign Shroeder, whether they keep him or not. He is an asset, that can be flipped. Losing free agents for nothing is the quickest way to set you franchise back unless, you are trying to clear your books for a big time splash.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:18 am Post subject:

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Cool. I didn't know that.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:20 am Post subject:

I'd trade 22 for 27+Shamet. 15-35 you can possibly get the same tier of player in this draft, everyone knows that

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:21 am Post subject:

vasashi17+ wrote:

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Actually saw that last night...it’s a good trade to consider to sprinkle some shooting and young assets around the squad after the big deals get done.

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Just heard that the Nets are dangling DeAndre Jordan to teams.. maybe we send the Nets .. 22nd pick and fillers for Shamet and DJ.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:21 am Post subject:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

At that time, Lowry was not a free agent. They could hold on to him. Now, he is and he can walk for nothing. If he says Lakers.....than its Lakers or Toronto is left with an empty bag.

So they'll take an offer that they rejected, overpay Dennis (whom they don't need with FVV and the 4th pick, and if anything, they have up to 25m in cap space they can use to try to get someone better), and whatever Lakers salary flotsam? I don't see it.

Much easier to let him walk, and start the rebuild without encumbrances.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:22 am Post subject:

In regards to Shamet. We don't need another guard. We have too many guards. He would sit on the bench. We need a wing to replace Kuz if he is traded. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:23 am Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:

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At that time, Lowry was not a free agent. They could hold on to him. Now, he is and he can walk for nothing. If he says Lakers.....than its Lakers or Toronto is left with an empty bag.

But Lowry is now a FA, so the Raps don't have a lot of leverage.
If he went to Ujiri and said I want you to S&T me to the Lakers I believe Ujiri would do him justice, and get a few decent pieces in return. KCP's contract is really good right now. Reasonable one year with a TO for the 2nd (making it immensi[y tradable), and getting a first rounder for a teram in rebuild is not a bad thing. McKinnie's deal in non guaranteed so they could keep him of just buy him out.
The question is would Lowry take 3-60 or thereabouts? I'ts very likely a paycut compared to other offers he gets.
But if he wants to team back up with DD, and compete for championships, who knows?
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:24 am Post subject:

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Correct! It’s actually 1.65m so round it up to 1.7m this year for 2+ seasoned vets, just to stay in the safe side in (hard cap) calculations.

Also I seen some folks ask if we can do a deal and then use that piece in another deal as aggregation. You can do that if you use cap space to take the players into. However it seems we will be operating over the cap, so player aggregation can’t occur from multiple deals until 2 months elapse into the season. However you can immediately reroute the original players package and/or individual players from the incoming package by themselves. Look below for more details on this matter from the Cap Q&A thread...

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Another thing I’ve seen in proposals is trades that bring in multiple salaried players from other teams who later get flipped immediately with our salaried players in a follow up trade. Is this allowed?

If we trade for multiple players using cap space to absorb their deals, then they can immediately be aggregated with other salaried players on our roster in a follow up deal. However, if we did not initially trade them into cap space, then they can only be immediately traded by themselves and cannot be rerouted in aggregation with other players. We would have to wait 2 months before we can aggregate those newly traded players from other teams with our own rostered players.

For example, let’s say Zo opts to sign his QO (14.4m) and becomes a 1yr deal where he consents on a trade to LA with his built in NTC. As a result he will lose his bird rights, but he gets to come back home. Let’s also assume that we want to trade for Adams and will take back the #10 as long as we send the Pels our #22. Let’s also assume Trez opts in and Adams 7.5% trade kicker is triggered. So the deal is:

Zo/Adams/#10 for Kcp/Trez/Marc/McKinnie (partially guaranteed)/#22/$760k to buyout & waive McK.
(Note: I’m not suggesting this particular trade and the names involved is a viable possibility. I’m just bringing up these particular contracts to show the mechanics of how a trade would work and what carries over after the initial trade is made)

Now since we were a cap strapped team, that trade was not done involving the absorption of contracts into cap space. So we can immediately reroute Adams by himself as 18.4m (7.5% trade kicker applied) in outgoing salary. We can immediately reroute Zo by himself with his consent of course (QO NTC still applies) as 14.4m in outgoing salary. We can even immediately reroute Zo/Adams together in a larger trade involving the Pels. But we would have to wait 2 months before we could reroute either or both along with Kuz's deal, for example.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:27 am Post subject:

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ok so no westbrook i think

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:28 am Post subject:

Robster8989 wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

At that time, Lowry was not a free agent. They could hold on to him. Now, he is and he can walk for nothing. If he says Lakers.....than its Lakers or Toronto is left with an empty bag.

KCP doesn't even get you halfway to Lowry's alleged demand of 3 years, 90m.

It would require Dennis to want to go to the Raps, and the Raps being ok with overpaying Dennis.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:28 am Post subject:

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Report: Lakers officials worried LeBron James and Anthony Davis’ window may be shorter than originally anticipated

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:28 am Post subject:

Anfernee Simons is a PG i really like that hasnt taken off YET

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:30 am Post subject:

LGFan wrote:

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Report: Wizards GM Tommy Sheppard says there has been NO request for a trade from Bradley Beal, via @FredKatz

ok so no westbrook i think

Just because he hasn’t requested a trade NOW doesn’t mean he won’t later today or tomorrow night, most of these stories are fabricated.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:30 am Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

At that time, Lowry was not a free agent. They could hold on to him. Now, he is and he can walk for nothing. If he says Lakers.....than its Lakers or Toronto is left with an empty bag.

You keep going back to the "trade that they rejected" point. The circumstances were different then. The Raptors have no leverage now.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:31 am Post subject:

scout_0 wrote:

Anfernee Simons is a PG i really like that hasnt taken off YET

He’s of the Kemba, Teague ilk and you have to hide those type of players especially in the playoffs. More often than not, those guys get played off the court almost as much as non-stretch 5s.

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:31 am Post subject:

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Stuff is just popping up outta nowhere now!

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:36 am Post subject:

LakerSD wrote:

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Anfernee Simons is a PG i really like that hasnt taken off YET

He’s of the Kemba, Teague ilk and you have to hide those type of players especially in the playoffs. More often than not, those guys get played off the court almost as much as non-stretch 5s.

I take you never seen the kid play

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:37 am Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Robster8989 wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

Harlemlakerfan wrote:

yinoma2001 wrote:

At that time, Lowry was not a free agent. They could hold on to him. Now, he is and he can walk for nothing. If he says Lakers.....than its Lakers or Toronto is left with an empty bag.

KCP doesn't even get you halfway to Lowry's alleged demand of 3 years, 90m.

It would require Dennis to want to go to the Raps, and the Raps being ok with overpaying Dennis.

Not suggesting 3-90.
Suggesting if his price falls, we may be able to offer like 3-60, with a first year of 19ish. KCP, McKinnie and the pick would total about 18, so it would work, unlikely a scenario as it may be.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:38 am Post subject:

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Report: Lakers officials worried LeBron James and Anthony Davis’ window may be shorter than originally anticipated

🤣
I don't think anyone was supposing the window was longer than lebron year 20.
And I see LeBron being elite till then at the least.
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Reminder: Quinton Mayo isn’t reliable it’s been said multiple times by Wizards fans... Last edited by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:44 am; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:41 am Post subject:

scout_0 wrote:

LakerSD wrote:

scout_0 wrote:

Anfernee Simons is a PG i really like that hasnt taken off YET

He’s of the Kemba, Teague ilk and you have to hide those type of players especially in the playoffs. More often than not, those guys get played off the court almost as much as non-stretch 5s.

I take you never seen the kid play

I’ve seen plenty of Simons. He’s an offensive player.

My point was about his defense. Even Dame’s defense is an issue, but you live with that because Dame.

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