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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:39 am    Post subject: 2021 NBA Draft Board

Rough list of guys I've been watching. Guys I like a ton are in bold.

1. Cade Cunningham - Think he should have been an NBA player before the season started, and that was before his jumpshot really kicked in. Gets criticized for turnovers, and yet he's +/- 1% in TO rate with the other remaining "elite" PG prospects of this class.

2. Evan Mobley - Legit like watching KG in an LMA body. Really fluid, active athlete, unselfish almost to a fault, but really love his 2-way play and as close to an elite big with reflecting guard skills as it gets.

3. Jalen Suggs
- I question his PG-like size but him playing like a 3/2, but he's the best remaning.
5. Keon Johnson - The closest I can imagine that Donovan Mitchell actually looks, just in a different spot in TN instead of Louisville.
4. Moses Moody - Wing shot maker with a knee problem.

8. Scottie Barnes - Boris Diaw in a different frame. Dude is basically a point 4/5.
9. Jaden Springer - Best guard skill remaining at PG. Better shooter than Sharife Cooper.


16. Josh Giddey - Can absolutely read the floor and get a foot in the paint. Jumper got a lot better over the past 2 months. Also figured where I can put him defensively without being an absolute traffic cone.

6. Jalen Johnson[/b] - Doesn't look like the athlete and I question his jumpshot form, but he can really read the floor and that's hard to project sometimes.

Jalen Green - NBA high-level athlete, body control, cannot defend, long windup into pull up 3, athletic finisher, average handle, unselfish

7. Jonathan Kuminga - Power wing that's physical but doesn't really have the jumper or the ball handling to be dynamic yet.

10. Sharife Cooper - Same as above. He's small, doesn't finish well, but has an incredible knack for lob threats with absurd ability to get FTr, converts well, and takes nearly half his FGA at the rim.

11. Franz Wagner - Honestly I should have him 7 or so and makes sense right around Jalen Johnson/Kuminga. Intl experience, was a guard that turned into wing size. Can't shake the Harpring/Hayward vibes.

12. Corey Kispert - Shooters with size have value. Considerably stronger than guys like Nik Stauskas.

13. Kai Jones - Best WCS athletic ability, without the IQ, scoring aggression, but unusually refined advanced perimeter offensive skill. If I believed in his motor/aggression (and maybe that'll show in workouts), I'd have him Top 3 over Suggs.

14. James Bouknight - Hersey Hawkins vibes

15. Alperen Sengun
- Post player with great patience and IQ.

26. Roko Prkacin- The guy we wished Medvedenko was. Wide body, arms up around the glass, ability to read the floor in the halfcourt, ball handling to push in transition, stretch 4

17. Usman Garuba - Small ball 5, but unusually great defensively.

18. Ziaire Williams - Defensive instincts, thin, avoids contact, but willing pull up shooter. Not a great finisher.


32. Jared Butler - 2 playing 2 but a solid guard, Jeff Teague/Kenny Smith vibes.

20. Davion Mitchell - 2 in a 1 body; same kind of shot types as Mitchell when attacking the paint; 3 and D next to creator.
21. Miles McBride - Should have him over Mitchell. Better pull up jumper, different kind of defender.
22. Bones Hyland
- Same as above.

24. Vrenz Bleijenbergh - Probably my favorite for LAL but underweight. Doesn't stop him from being physical. Shoots like LaMelo.
25. Chris Duarte - Someone I think LAL would have an absolute eye on. Excellent late bloomer projection but arguably the best percentage shooter across the entire board.


Terrance Shannon Jr.
Aaron Henry - Modern Stacey Augmon, slim chance he improves 3pt% but I have slim hopes because he's right handed, but shoots lefty, like a righty. Doesn't have strong shoulder lean. Stud defender.

23. Kessler Edwards - Kerry Kittles vibes. Just taller.
19. Josh Christopher - Athletic 2 that reminds me of Nick Young's shot selection.
27. Tre Mann - Taller Garland without the dynamic handles/quicks.
28. Bennedict Mathurin - 3 and D type, has quick twitch but not as convinced of the ball handling or even role player level shot creation.
29. Jason Preston - Really understands the game, big for a PG and plays to his strengths; poise and position makes up for quicks, athleticism.
30. Rokas Jokubaitis

31. Day'Ron Sharpe - I think he should be a mid to late 1st and is arguably the center the Warriors thought they were getting in Wiseman.

Gabriele Procida
33. Scottie Lewis - Thybulle like, lacks offensive aggression but is still an aggressive defender.
Joel Ayayi

34. Ariel Hukporti

35. Trey Murphy III - Shooter at 4
36. Ron Harper Jr. - Role player shooter, decision maker with low TO rate
37. Sandro Mamukelashvili - Guard like 4 with average defense.


38. Isaiah Todd - Poor man's bosh
39. Daishon Nix - Needs to get into shape and just maybe he'd be along the lines of Andre Miller, but needs a ton of growth
40. Charles Bassey - Solid back up 5.
41. Isaiah Livers - rotation shooter.
42. Neemias Queta - Gorgui Dieng, slightly more fluid athletically, better jumper, rebounding, passing by age.

50. Terry Taylor - NBA talent at 4 but stuck being 6'5"; Jemarrio Jones type.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:32 pm    Post subject:

Cade Cunningham
Evan Mobley
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Let me think about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 2021 NBA Draft Board

Mike@LG wrote:
Rough list of guys I've been watching.

1. Cade Cunningham

2. Evan Mobley

3. Jalen Suggs

4. Moses Moody

5. Keon Johnson
6. Jalen Johnson
7. Jonathan Kuminga
8. Scottie Barnes
9. Jaden Springer


10. Sharife Cooper
11. Franz Wagner
12. Corey Kispert

13. Kai Jones
14. James Bouknight
15. Alperen Sengun
16. Josh Giddey
17. Usman Garuba
18. Ziaire Williams


19. Josh Christopher
20. Davion Mitchell
21. Daishon Nix
22. Bones Hyland
23. Chris Duarte

24. Vrenz Bleijenbergh
25. Jared Butler
26. Roko Prkcin
27. Tre Mann
28. Buddy Boeheim
29. Filip Petrusev
30. Rokas Jokubaitis

31. Charles Bassey
32.

33. Kessler Edwards
34. Ariel Hukporti

35. Trey Murphy III

37. Santi Aldama

38. Isaiah Todd

Miles McBride
Bennedict Mathurin
Scottie Lewis
Day'Ron Sharpe
Jason Preston - the Creighton game exposed his weaknesses
Sandro Mamukelashvili

45. Ron Harper Jr.

UDFA Isaiah Livers


I will keep updating this post for the time being.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:29 am    Post subject:

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Jason Preston - the Creighton game exposed his weaknesses


Slow, lack of dynamic ball handling? That's always been there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvzEoNYlztQ
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:34 pm    Post subject:

is jabari walker expected to be 2022? samaki walker's son, his tape and advanced stats pop
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:55 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
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Jason Preston - the Creighton game exposed his weaknesses


Slow, lack of dynamic ball handling? That's always been there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvzEoNYlztQ


It was his inability to get by his defender and his post ups looked awkward as he contorted his body to get his shot off. Maybe just a bad game but it resulted in him launching 3's from real deep which he did not hit. Part of the problem was his teammates shooting was bad in the 1st half and starting the 2nd They could not generate any points on their own. He did set them up for some open looks but they just put bricks up.

I still believe he has a place in the NBA but just not sure he is more of a backup than starter.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:18 pm    Post subject:

PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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Jason Preston - the Creighton game exposed his weaknesses


Slow, lack of dynamic ball handling? That's always been there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvzEoNYlztQ


It was his inability to get by his defender and his post ups looked awkward as he contorted his body to get his shot off. Maybe just a bad game but it resulted in him launching 3's from real deep which he did not hit. Part of the problem was his teammates shooting was bad in the 1st half and starting the 2nd They could not generate any points on their own. He did set them up for some open looks but they just put bricks up.

I still believe he has a place in the NBA but just not sure he is more of a backup than starter.


Yeah, like I said, that's always been there, all season. I just think he's a good prospect because he actually reads the game well and executes well within his skill set.

Maybe he makes it to the NBA and does more advanced level NBA stuff. That's easier to teach than trying to teach Kai Jones how to read the game.

Lucky for Kai he's not a PG.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:30 pm    Post subject:

44TheLogo wrote:
is jabari walker expected to be 2022? samaki walker's son, his tape and advanced stats pop


Haven't looked that far ahead. I think you'd like JT Thor.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:15 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
44TheLogo wrote:
is jabari walker expected to be 2022? samaki walker's son, his tape and advanced stats pop


Haven't looked that far ahead. I think you'd like JT Thor.


jabari walker is a freshman at colorado. i don't see if he's expected to come out, and haven't seen his name on any mocks, but he looks like an NBA player to me

just watched some tape on Thor. not a huge fan of his lower body type - looks like he's got skinny hips and long legs, though his hips are pretty quick defensively. otherwise looks interesting, nice stroke and good defensive instincts. maybe a role player, though i'm not sure. offense looks like a big time work in progress w/ only catch and shoot projection, then defensively looks like he'd be quite easy to dislodge physically given his lanky base, so is a matchup dependent defender. hard to stick w/ those limitations.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:00 pm    Post subject:

^You're right about Jabari Walker. All of those advanced numbers pop, and not even just a little.

Got caught in a twitter discussion between Terrence Shannon Jr, Aaron Henry, and Chris Duarte, who all seem to be ranked relatively the same, but it just depends what you value most. I'm sure you're busy, but maybe you can find more distinction outside of Henry being more of an NBA defender, Shannon having more burst, and Duarte's elite shooting shooting numbers across the board.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:07 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
^You're right about Jabari Walker. All of those advanced numbers pop, and not even just a little.

Got caught in a twitter discussion between Terrence Shannon Jr, Aaron Henry, and Chris Duarte, who all seem to be ranked relatively the same, but it just depends what you value most. I'm sure you're busy, but maybe you can find more distinction outside of Henry being more of an NBA defender, Shannon having more burst, and Duarte's elite shooting shooting numbers across the board.


Very very limited due diligence but here are my first impressions:

Shannon Jr - really similar build to DLo. physical straight line driver, decent shooting stroke, good size. limited laterally. not sure about a role translation to the next level.

Henry - offensive package looks like it has the easiest translation to NBA. one/two dribble pull ups, catch and shoot, attacking hard close outs, midrange/post. nice flow off the dribble, stepbacks, euros, floaters. pro.

Duarte - thybulle vibes. deflections, blocks, and steals out of a zone, long arms, defensive instincts. super limited offense, purely c&s. limited 3+D.

just off first impressions i'd say Henry is heads and shoulders above the other two for upside and versatility, Duarte as a bench rotation role player, and Shannon Jr. might not be an NBA player at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:07 am    Post subject:

^Yep, I'm right along with Henry/Duarte then Shannon Jr. Everything you said was accurate.

Henry is likely the better or best defender of the 3 on and off the ball. Just Duarte has the JuCo to Div I upbringing and improved a lot with ridiculous shooting % across the board. Even on twitter, it's Henry 1st, then Duarte/Shannon Jr. Just Shannon Jr. is the guy with the FTr because of that bursty straight line drive. Henry has the 58% to 62% finishing at the rim that I'm concerned about.

Duarte for me is the "standard late 1st round pick" for LAL, and it's been about guys more talented or less talented, but he's the bar. A ton of self creation, which I think goes away next level tbh. He's a rotation player at worst, and I don't see the outlier shooting holding at next level to make him a starter or better. He ain't Klay.

Vrenz is the guy I want.

Good to see you around.
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