Mass shooting at Colorado supermarket; (10 dead)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:21 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
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Colorado has:
- universal background checks (the same as currently being debated in congress)
- no gun show loopholes (background checks required for private purchase)
- magazine size limits
- red flag law

Basically everything being asked for at a federal level is already in place here. Why did these systems fail and how can we hold authorities accountable for allowing a mentally unstable man with a prior assault charge to pass a NICS background check to buy a gun, and what can we do to make sure law enforcement takes red flag calls seriously, given that the SC has already ruled that police are under no obligation to help the public (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales)?


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A judge recently blocked Boulder from enforcing its assault-weapon ban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/us/boulder-colorado-gun-laws.html


He bought outside Boulder so that wouldn't have applied, and he could have done the same damage with a handgun, especially since this was technically a "pistol" he purchased. The failure started when he passed a background check.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:49 am    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
kikanga wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
Colorado has:
- universal background checks (the same as currently being debated in congress)
- no gun show loopholes (background checks required for private purchase)
- magazine size limits
- red flag law

Basically everything being asked for at a federal level is already in place here. Why did these systems fail and how can we hold authorities accountable for allowing a mentally unstable man with a prior assault charge to pass a NICS background check to buy a gun, and what can we do to make sure law enforcement takes red flag calls seriously, given that the SC has already ruled that police are under no obligation to help the public (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales)?


Not to mention:
Quote:
A judge recently blocked Boulder from enforcing its assault-weapon ban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/us/boulder-colorado-gun-laws.html


He bought outside Boulder so that wouldn't have applied, and he could have done the same damage with a handgun, especially since this was technically a "pistol" he purchased. The failure started when he passed a background check.


In this case, sure. But look at Sandy Hook and Vegas.

Gun rights activists have won this war.
A registry. database, and proper screening for all gun owners is beyond impossible. So I'd be grateful for even the smallest, around the edges changes we could make. Like treating AR-15s like other weapons of war.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:40 pm    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
kikanga wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
Colorado has:
- universal background checks (the same as currently being debated in congress)
- no gun show loopholes (background checks required for private purchase)
- magazine size limits
- red flag law

Basically everything being asked for at a federal level is already in place here. Why did these systems fail and how can we hold authorities accountable for allowing a mentally unstable man with a prior assault charge to pass a NICS background check to buy a gun, and what can we do to make sure law enforcement takes red flag calls seriously, given that the SC has already ruled that police are under no obligation to help the public (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales)?


Not to mention:
Quote:
A judge recently blocked Boulder from enforcing its assault-weapon ban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/us/boulder-colorado-gun-laws.html


He bought outside Boulder so that wouldn't have applied, and he could have done the same damage with a handgun, especially since this was technically a "pistol" he purchased. The failure started when he passed a background check.


Again, one of the strongest cases for federal standards is the portability across different jurisdictions. The top origin of the guns being used in crimes in Chicago is right across the border in Indiana. Federal classification of weapons types would work too. Of course none of this really addresses the fact that we have to navigate around a constitutional provision designed to keep well armed and organized groups of settlers on our frontier borders and ensure that southern states could have slave militias.

Btw, anyone who doesn’t know the reality of why assault weapons are different than handguns by magnitude should buy a side of beef, hang it up, and shoot at it with both.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:47 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
kikanga wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
Colorado has:
- universal background checks (the same as currently being debated in congress)
- no gun show loopholes (background checks required for private purchase)
- magazine size limits
- red flag law

Basically everything being asked for at a federal level is already in place here. Why did these systems fail and how can we hold authorities accountable for allowing a mentally unstable man with a prior assault charge to pass a NICS background check to buy a gun, and what can we do to make sure law enforcement takes red flag calls seriously, given that the SC has already ruled that police are under no obligation to help the public (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales)?


Not to mention:
Quote:
A judge recently blocked Boulder from enforcing its assault-weapon ban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/22/us/boulder-colorado-gun-laws.html


He bought outside Boulder so that wouldn't have applied, and he could have done the same damage with a handgun, especially since this was technically a "pistol" he purchased. The failure started when he passed a background check.


Again, one of the strongest cases for federal standards is the portability across different jurisdictions. The top origin of the guns being used in crimes in Chicago is right across the border in Indiana. Federal classification of weapons types would work too. Of course none of this really addresses the fact that we have to navigate around a constitutional provision designed to keep well armed and organized groups of settlers on our frontier borders and ensure that southern states could have slave militias.

Btw, anyone who doesn’t know the reality of why assault weapons are different than handguns by magnitude should buy a side of beef, hang it up, and shoot at it with both.


Take it from me...an officer who was deployed and carried an M4 and M9. There isnt an idiot in the military that would equate the two.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:59 pm    Post subject:

Yup, I’ve carried both (m-16 for me because I’m an old fart), and the damage difference of the two while sharing portability and target acquisition speed is staggering.
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