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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:35 am    Post subject:

I would go with Boogie, but we'll see what happens. I'll accept who we get.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:36 am    Post subject:

We should get torrey craig
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:39 am    Post subject:

Hopefully we get Shaq Harrison, Boogie, and Dedmon. I think Gasol and Morris are PIPE.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:49 am    Post subject:

From a raptor fan , here some thoughts on Ibaka :


" Lowry propped Ibaka up quite a bit. Don't be surprised if his offensive production dives off a cliff... He can't dribble for the life of him and relied on the pick and pop game with Lowry. Fred couldn't figure out how to get any production out of him, that's for sure...

Also, his defense is atrocious. He might have consistently been our worst defender over the last two years. He literally gets lost or exploited every second play and is super vulnerable to switches, pick and pops, or anything that forces him to guard the perimeter. He's not good at guarding the pick and roll either. Just a super low IQ defensive player. Good shot blocker and rim protector though.

I don't think he moves any needles for the Clippers, but I wish him the best."
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:56 am    Post subject:

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We should get torrey craig


I wouldn't be mad at this pick up. He's a solid defender, has good length, fast, knows how to play off the ball, decent 3 point shooter, good athleticism. He is pretty overlooked, but can give a contribution off the bench.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:01 am    Post subject:

Latest Hollinger piece on The Athletic:

The Lakers paint themselves into a corner, and several other small moves (Sat. 11:15)

Lakers: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope’s three-year, $40 million deal underscores how badly the Lakers painted themselves into a corner by using their full mid-level exception on Montrezl Harrell. The Lakers are now hard-capped and can only use minimum contracts for their last four roster spots, and carry only the minimum of 14 players. This state of affairs will hamstring them nearly the entire season, as the Lakers are only a few dollars short of the hard cap line, depending on the exact figure for Caldwell-Pope’s first-year salary.

Caldwell-Pope himself was a pretty large overpay – BORD$ saw him as worth less than half this amount – but the Lakers almost had no choice once they paid Harrell. Their MLE was the only alternative to replacing Caldwell-Pope if he left for another team, so once they used it on Harrell, it put them in a difficult negotiating position. Had Caldwell-Pope left, the Lakers would have had just the $3.6 million biannual exception with which to pay a replacement.

On the flip side, overpaying Caldwell-Pope is more damaging because they used the full MLE on Harrell. This was a glittering shiny object they grabbed based on Harrell’s high scoring 2019-20, when he won the Sixth Man Award.

In a vacuum, yes, the contract makes sense. Situationally, not so much. This was not a player the Lakers particularly needed, and his game would not seem to fit well with LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the floor.

Had the Lakers settled for using their taxpayer MLE on a different center, they would not be in this position because they would not be hard-capped, and thus the overpay on Caldwell-Pope would have only hurt Jeanie Buss’s checkbook. Instead, the Lakers have to cobble together four roster spots on veteran minimum contacts. While they are fortunate that they are the top destination for veterans seeking a minimum deal, they’re still sorting through the discount bin.

One thing I would expect, however, is for the Lakers to only guarantee three of these deals. L.A. can extend its wiggle room by using the last spot on a non-guaranteed player and waiving him the first week of the season, and toggling between 13 and 14 roster players through the season in much the same way Golden State did a year ago. Regardless, this will be a difficult dance with the hard cap line all year long.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:08 am    Post subject:

lakersfan32 wrote:
Latest Hollinger piece on The Athletic:

The Lakers paint themselves into a corner, and several other small moves (Sat. 11:15)

Lakers: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope’s three-year, $40 million deal underscores how badly the Lakers painted themselves into a corner by using their full mid-level exception on Montrezl Harrell. The Lakers are now hard-capped and can only use minimum contracts for their last four roster spots, and carry only the minimum of 14 players. This state of affairs will hamstring them nearly the entire season, as the Lakers are only a few dollars short of the hard cap line, depending on the exact figure for Caldwell-Pope’s first-year salary.

Caldwell-Pope himself was a pretty large overpay – BORD$ saw him as worth less than half this amount – but the Lakers almost had no choice once they paid Harrell. Their MLE was the only alternative to replacing Caldwell-Pope if he left for another team, so once they used it on Harrell, it put them in a difficult negotiating position. Had Caldwell-Pope left, the Lakers would have had just the $3.6 million biannual exception with which to pay a replacement.

On the flip side, overpaying Caldwell-Pope is more damaging because they used the full MLE on Harrell. This was a glittering shiny object they grabbed based on Harrell’s high scoring 2019-20, when he won the Sixth Man Award.

In a vacuum, yes, the contract makes sense. Situationally, not so much. This was not a player the Lakers particularly needed, and his game would not seem to fit well with LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the floor.

Had the Lakers settled for using their taxpayer MLE on a different center, they would not be in this position because they would not be hard-capped, and thus the overpay on Caldwell-Pope would have only hurt Jeanie Buss’s checkbook. Instead, the Lakers have to cobble together four roster spots on veteran minimum contacts. While they are fortunate that they are the top destination for veterans seeking a minimum deal, they’re still sorting through the discount bin.

One thing I would expect, however, is for the Lakers to only guarantee three of these deals. L.A. can extend its wiggle room by using the last spot on a non-guaranteed player and waiving him the first week of the season, and toggling between 13 and 14 roster players through the season in much the same way Golden State did a year ago. Regardless, this will be a difficult dance with the hard cap line all year long.


Known hater, love for Pelinka to prove him wrong and shut his mouth. Alway hated this dude.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:10 am    Post subject:

at Hollinger
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:16 am    Post subject:

Yeah, I bet Hollinger also had bad things to say about our championship roster last season.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:18 am    Post subject:

He said that the Warriors would be better than us last year:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/warriors-will-have-better-record-lakers-john-hollinger-predicts
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:23 am    Post subject:

Just had a feeling the Pelinka have something on his sleeve. I feel the league told him Deng contract will be gone, but only after most of the top FA are signed and gone. It just a hunch but our FO now a days as so good at keeping a tight lid (ie Schroeder and Montrez moves which came out of nowhere). Love for Hollinger to eat (bleep).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:28 am    Post subject:

jankobe wrote:
We need to fill our roster with 4 Vet Mins.

We need 1 PG, 1 SF, and 2 C's because McGee cannot hold the forth every game.

Wishlist: PG - Devonte Graham or Mudiay?
SF - Batum?
PF - Kieff?
C - 2 from MGasol, DMC, Baynes, WCS, Whiteside.


I like your list.

I'd try to trade McGee and open up more cap space, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:31 am    Post subject:

Based on what other players got- many of them not as young as KCP or with a certain obtained ring on their finger- 3/40 and the third year not even being guaranteed isn't really an overpay.

I will say this though, I hope KCP mirrors the playoff player for the full regular season as well
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:59 am    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
lakersfan32 wrote:
Latest Hollinger piece on The Athletic:

The Lakers paint themselves into a corner, and several other small moves (Sat. 11:15)

Lakers: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope’s three-year, $40 million deal underscores how badly the Lakers painted themselves into a corner by using their full mid-level exception on Montrezl Harrell. The Lakers are now hard-capped and can only use minimum contracts for their last four roster spots, and carry only the minimum of 14 players. This state of affairs will hamstring them nearly the entire season, as the Lakers are only a few dollars short of the hard cap line, depending on the exact figure for Caldwell-Pope’s first-year salary.

Caldwell-Pope himself was a pretty large overpay – BORD$ saw him as worth less than half this amount – but the Lakers almost had no choice once they paid Harrell. Their MLE was the only alternative to replacing Caldwell-Pope if he left for another team, so once they used it on Harrell, it put them in a difficult negotiating position. Had Caldwell-Pope left, the Lakers would have had just the $3.6 million biannual exception with which to pay a replacement.

On the flip side, overpaying Caldwell-Pope is more damaging because they used the full MLE on Harrell. This was a glittering shiny object they grabbed based on Harrell’s high scoring 2019-20, when he won the Sixth Man Award.

In a vacuum, yes, the contract makes sense. Situationally, not so much. This was not a player the Lakers particularly needed, and his game would not seem to fit well with LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the floor.

Had the Lakers settled for using their taxpayer MLE on a different center, they would not be in this position because they would not be hard-capped, and thus the overpay on Caldwell-Pope would have only hurt Jeanie Buss’s checkbook. Instead, the Lakers have to cobble together four roster spots on veteran minimum contacts. While they are fortunate that they are the top destination for veterans seeking a minimum deal, they’re still sorting through the discount bin.

One thing I would expect, however, is for the Lakers to only guarantee three of these deals. L.A. can extend its wiggle room by using the last spot on a non-guaranteed player and waiving him the first week of the season, and toggling between 13 and 14 roster players through the season in much the same way Golden State did a year ago. Regardless, this will be a difficult dance with the hard cap line all year long.


Known hater, love for Pelinka to prove him wrong and shut his mouth. Alway hated this dude.


What the article failed to mention is LeBron-AD-Schroeder-Montrezl is the best 1-4option in the league, one that has 2 MVP level, 1 DPOY and 2 6thMOY playing (and depth is good even before filling up the 4 min slots, Caruso, KCP, Wes, THT, Kuz, McGee, add 3-4 more names)... if the price to pay is difficulty at picking up waiver wire and trying to paint a bleak picture... LOL LOL
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:07 am    Post subject:

My “hopeful” 14:

1. LeBron James
2. Anthony Davis
3. Dennis Schroder
4. Montrezl Harrell
5. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
6. Kyle Kuzma
7. Wesley Matthews
8. Alex Caruso
9. Markieff Morris
10. Marc Gasol

11. JaVale McGee
12. Reggie Jackson
13. Talen Horton-Tucker
14. Josh Jackson

My “Second Choice” 14:

1. LBJ
2. AD
3. Schroder
4. Trezz
5. KCP
6. Kuzma
7. Matthews
8. Caruso
9. Nicolas Batum
10. McGee
11. Dewayne Dedmon
12. Shaquille Harrison
13. Horton-Tucker
14. DeMarcus Cousins












I guess we will wait and see who is still left standing and available possibly for the minimum.....


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:09 am    Post subject:

jankobe wrote:
We need to fill our roster with 4 Vet Mins.

We need 1 PG, 1 SF, and 2 C's because McGee cannot hold the forth every game.

Wishlist: PG - Devonte Graham or Mudiay?
SF - Batum?
PF - Kieff?
C - 2 from MGasol, DMC, Baynes, WCS, Whiteside.

Why 2 Cs? We already have McGee and Harrell. Davis will be playing the center position for few minutes each game. Just one more center should be enough. I don't think we really need another PG too.

I'd say we need another center and PF. Then more shooters regardless of which position just not center.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:11 am    Post subject:

If Pelinka can finish out the roster with these 4 he wins exec of the year:

Markieff Morris
Glen Robinson III
Marc Gasol
Kent Bazemoreb
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:17 am    Post subject:

Hollinger makes no sense. The reason that KCP got the contract he did is because if they didn't sign him to that then he probably goes to the Knicks on a big 1 year deal like he did with the Lakers when first acquired. The hard cap had no affect on that. If, they use the taxpayer MLE on a different center then they'd still have only the minimum available for other players. They could have potentially re-signed Bradley using his non-bird rights but I think that ship had sailed anyway. If the Lakers need cap room, they ship out McGee with a couple of 2nds. Not a huge deal.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:25 am    Post subject:

From what I can tell, here are some of the folks still available who MIGHT take minimum. All have reps for decent (GR III) to above-average defense. Only RHJ viewed as a negative/ non-factor on offense.

We get one of these guys and our wing defense is shored up. Leaning toward Batum or Hill for defense, then GR III.

Wings:
Nicolas Batum - 31, 6-9, 230, SF/SG; waived by CHA, 11.6 ppg career.
Torrey Craig - 29, 6-7, 221, SF/SG; UFA DEN, one of their best on perimeter D.
Solomon Hill - 28, 6-6, 226, SF/ PF; limited mins. for Heat during Finals
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - 25, 6-6, 216, SF/PF; 5-position defender, no midrange/ outside offense; TOR last year.
Glenn Robinson III - 26, 6-6, 227, SG/SF; .373 3-pt career on 1.7/ gm, 12ppg last year for GSW/ PHI.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:27 am    Post subject:

DLaker wrote:
lakersfan32 wrote:
Latest Hollinger piece on The Athletic:

The Lakers paint themselves into a corner, and several other small moves (Sat. 11:15)

Lakers: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope’s three-year, $40 million deal underscores how badly the Lakers painted themselves into a corner by using their full mid-level exception on Montrezl Harrell. The Lakers are now hard-capped and can only use minimum contracts for their last four roster spots, and carry only the minimum of 14 players. This state of affairs will hamstring them nearly the entire season, as the Lakers are only a few dollars short of the hard cap line, depending on the exact figure for Caldwell-Pope’s first-year salary.

Caldwell-Pope himself was a pretty large overpay – BORD$ saw him as worth less than half this amount – but the Lakers almost had no choice once they paid Harrell. Their MLE was the only alternative to replacing Caldwell-Pope if he left for another team, so once they used it on Harrell, it put them in a difficult negotiating position. Had Caldwell-Pope left, the Lakers would have had just the $3.6 million biannual exception with which to pay a replacement.

On the flip side, overpaying Caldwell-Pope is more damaging because they used the full MLE on Harrell. This was a glittering shiny object they grabbed based on Harrell’s high scoring 2019-20, when he won the Sixth Man Award.

In a vacuum, yes, the contract makes sense. Situationally, not so much. This was not a player the Lakers particularly needed, and his game would not seem to fit well with LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the floor.

Had the Lakers settled for using their taxpayer MLE on a different center, they would not be in this position because they would not be hard-capped, and thus the overpay on Caldwell-Pope would have only hurt Jeanie Buss’s checkbook. Instead, the Lakers have to cobble together four roster spots on veteran minimum contacts. While they are fortunate that they are the top destination for veterans seeking a minimum deal, they’re still sorting through the discount bin.

One thing I would expect, however, is for the Lakers to only guarantee three of these deals. L.A. can extend its wiggle room by using the last spot on a non-guaranteed player and waiving him the first week of the season, and toggling between 13 and 14 roster players through the season in much the same way Golden State did a year ago. Regardless, this will be a difficult dance with the hard cap line all year long.


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We already proved him wrong. Dont know why anyone listens to this nerd. Couldnt even hold a FO job
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:30 am    Post subject:

Solomon Hill, who MIMLaker mentioned, has played under Vogel before. Could see interest in him.

Also, when I try to quote a tweet(while logged in) it instead goes to the main forum choice page. Using Google Chrome.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:31 am    Post subject:

We are not going to get every named free agent out there. I think KCP brings some additional stability to the starting line up, he's still on the younger side, knows the coach and what's expected...besides Bog, I'm not sure if there was a better feasible 2 out there for the Lakers..
His contract doesn't seem that crazy, I don't think it would be particularly hard to move in the future...it's not like the deng deal
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:32 am    Post subject:

I'm not putting down Ibaka as a signing for the Clippers, I think he's still good for them, but reading opinions of Ibaka's defensive skillset is a bit more satisfying

Apparently, he is a good rim protector (obviously), but can only guard 5's, as he is slow-footed and not athletic enough to keep up with fast-paced players. A liability on switches etc

Not saying Harrell is good in that regard either, but we might be overestimating how 'big' of a signing Serge is compared to Trezz
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:33 am    Post subject:

lakersfan32 wrote:
Latest Hollinger piece on The Athletic:

The Lakers paint themselves into a corner, and several other small moves (Sat. 11:15)

Lakers: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope’s three-year, $40 million deal underscores how badly the Lakers painted themselves into a corner by using their full mid-level exception on Montrezl Harrell. The Lakers are now hard-capped and can only use minimum contracts for their last four roster spots, and carry only the minimum of 14 players. This state of affairs will hamstring them nearly the entire season, as the Lakers are only a few dollars short of the hard cap line, depending on the exact figure for Caldwell-Pope’s first-year salary.

Caldwell-Pope himself was a pretty large overpay – BORD$ saw him as worth less than half this amount – but the Lakers almost had no choice once they paid Harrell. Their MLE was the only alternative to replacing Caldwell-Pope if he left for another team, so once they used it on Harrell, it put them in a difficult negotiating position. Had Caldwell-Pope left, the Lakers would have had just the $3.6 million biannual exception with which to pay a replacement.

On the flip side, overpaying Caldwell-Pope is more damaging because they used the full MLE on Harrell. This was a glittering shiny object they grabbed based on Harrell’s high scoring 2019-20, when he won the Sixth Man Award.

In a vacuum, yes, the contract makes sense. Situationally, not so much. This was not a player the Lakers particularly needed, and his game would not seem to fit well with LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the floor.

Had the Lakers settled for using their taxpayer MLE on a different center, they would not be in this position because they would not be hard-capped, and thus the overpay on Caldwell-Pope would have only hurt Jeanie Buss’s checkbook. Instead, the Lakers have to cobble together four roster spots on veteran minimum contacts. While they are fortunate that they are the top destination for veterans seeking a minimum deal, they’re still sorting through the discount bin.

One thing I would expect, however, is for the Lakers to only guarantee three of these deals. L.A. can extend its wiggle room by using the last spot on a non-guaranteed player and waiving him the first week of the season, and toggling between 13 and 14 roster players through the season in much the same way Golden State did a year ago. Regardless, this will be a difficult dance with the hard cap line all year long.


Lol dude writes down like we had tons of money to spend or something. Also should look around and see what other guys getting overpaid every where. Rob is schooling every gm in the league. He Should go and write about MJ in Charlotte, I guess he won’t get as many clicks.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:40 am    Post subject:

alleyoop wrote:
I'm not putting down Ibaka as a signing for the Clippers, I think he's still good for them, but reading opinions of Ibaka's defensive skillset is a bit more satisfying

Apparently, he is a good rim protector (obviously), but can only guard 5's, as he is slow-footed and not athletic enough to keep up with fast-paced players. A liability on switches etc

Not saying Harrell is good in that regard either, but we might be overestimating how 'big' of a signing Serge is compared to Trezz


Ibaka greatest asset at this stage is stretching the floor. Good thing for us, our bigs beside McGee will shut that down. Good luck Dippers stopping our bigs with Bron and Schroeder running the show.
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