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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:58 pm    Post subject:

this was great...coupled with a Dodgers win? bliss.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:59 am    Post subject:

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Bron saved these b*tches and they don't even like his ass! Let that sink in. That's the kind of luck they always f*cking get!! Since day one.. Why in the hell would the Bucks trade Kareem in the first place? They win the championship and somehow they get to draft Magic Johnson the following year.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:49 am    Post subject:

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Bron saved these b*tches and they don't even like his ass! Let that sink in. That's the kind of luck they always f*cking get!! Since day one.. Why in the hell would the Bucks trade Kareem in the first place? They win the championship and somehow they get to draft Magic Johnson the following year.



Incredible basketball knowledge from this Clipper fan.


Trouble with explaining the reason LA got both Magic and Worthy takes TLDR length replies because you have to address why and how they got them, the state of the NBA at the time, and lottery/draft rules that were not in place at the time (which they universally aren't aware of; i.e. things like high pick protection, a draft lottery instead of a coin flip for 1/2, draft loopholes that were still open i.e. draftees having advance knowledge of the teams that were in the coin flip, the financial straits teams like NO/CLE were in hence their habits of trading likely high picks in consecutive seasons, and the fact that the worst team in the league lost their chance to flip a coin for the 1st pick THREE times in 4 years -- to the Lakers twice and the Celtics once). In 79 (NO - LA), 80 (DET - BOS) and 82 (CLE - LA). All 3 of the loser teams that gave unconditional future picks to the Lakers and Smelts wound up w/ the league's worst records in the seasons that preceded those fateful drafts.

In 80, the Celts traded #1 to GS (Joe Barry Carroll) and got #4 (McHale) and Parish in return! Add GS to the list of poorly GM'd teams. Our deals for Magic and Worthy were both consummated 3 years before the picks became due. Those deals were what finalized our (LA and BOS) championship squads. Thankfully we won the coin flip over CHI in 79, tho we would've been OK in 82 with the 2nd pick. Also bears mentioning that LA got the 79 pick because teams that lost veteran FAs had to be compensated at the time of the actual trade in 76, so the teams constructed a deal for Goodrich and particulars that included the pick that later became #1 in 79.

It takes a lot to describe all that. Plus situations like Utah also having to trade #3 Nique to ATL in 82 for a million in cash and John Long because they couldn't afford to pay him. They were on the verge of bankruptcy. The lack of a rook salary scale also must be discussed and how that meant that high picks could demand whatever they wanted and sit out if they didn't get it (like Jim Jax did in 92 w/ the Mavs, missed first 50+ of the season; we also got Christie from SEA because they couldn't come to terms and the Smelts had to trade Jon Barry to MIL for Alaa A).

Aholes and nitwits and peach fuzzers often don't have the patience to read that or they don't get how all that conspired to "help" the Lakers.

It took pick protection, a draft lottery eliminating coin flip (and with balls instead of envelopes w/ folded corners), rules against trading consecutive 1st round picks, and closing of loopholes that gave advanced knowledge of the Draft and/or took draftees' ability to return to college after the Draft lottery to avoid all that stuff in future years. Ralph Sampson was the last to know the coin flip teams in advance (LAL and SDC). He returned to Virginia for his final year because he didn't want a 50/50 chance of being taken by the Clippers, which he plainly admitted to his entire career. In 79, Magic already knew the Lakers had won the flip before the deadline to declare for the Draft, which he admitted was what made him decide to leave for the NBA that season. Before all those changes, smart and solvent FOs like LA/BOS ran rough on the flyover franchises like it was their divine right. Too bad we still can't do that, yet today's fans are convinced that nothing has changed despite everything I just wrote.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 pm    Post subject:

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Pretty alarming for the Lakers that they only managed to score 93 against the same Blazers "defense" that couldn't stop our third stringers. Their lack of any reliable three-point shooters is really showing.



Every time I looked at this thread I found something precious. Here we have a Clippers fan "alarmed" by our lack of 3 point shooters, not knowing the shot heard around the world (Playoff George hitting the side of the backboard) was coming.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:22 pm    Post subject:

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LandsbergerRules wrote:
KingKobe20 wrote:

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Bron saved these b*tches and they don't even like his ass! Let that sink in. That's the kind of luck they always f*cking get!! Since day one.. Why in the hell would the Bucks trade Kareem in the first place? They win the championship and somehow they get to draft Magic Johnson the following year.



Incredible basketball knowledge from this Clipper fan.


Trouble with explaining the reason LA got both Magic and Worthy takes TLDR length replies because you have to address why and how they got them, the state of the NBA at the time, and lottery/draft rules that were not in place at the time (which they universally aren't aware of; i.e. things like high pick protection, a draft lottery instead of a coin flip for 1/2, draft loopholes that were still open i.e. draftees having advance knowledge of the teams that were in the coin flip, the financial straits teams like NO/CLE were in hence their habits of trading likely high picks in consecutive seasons, and the fact that the worst team in the league lost their chance to flip a coin for the 1st pick THREE times in 4 years -- to the Lakers twice and the Celtics once). In 79 (NO - LA), 80 (DET - BOS) and 82 (CLE - LA). All 3 of the loser teams that gave unconditional future picks to the Lakers and Smelts wound up w/ the league's worst records in the seasons that preceded those fateful drafts.

In 80, the Celts traded #1 to GS (Joe Barry Carroll) and got #4 (McHale) and Parish in return! Add GS to the list of poorly GM'd teams. Our deals for Magic and Worthy were both consummated 3 years before the picks became due. Those deals were what finalized our (LA and BOS) championship squads. Thankfully we won the coin flip over CHI in 79, tho we would've been OK in 82 with the 2nd pick. Also bears mentioning that LA got the 79 pick because teams that lost veteran FAs had to be compensated at the time of the actual trade in 76, so the teams constructed a deal for Goodrich and particulars that included the pick that later became #1 in 79.

It takes a lot to describe all that. Plus situations like Utah also having to trade #3 Nique to ATL in 82 for a million in cash and John Long because they couldn't afford to pay him. They were on the verge of bankruptcy. The lack of a rook salary scale also must be discussed and how that meant that high picks could demand whatever they wanted and sit out if they didn't get it (like Jim Jax did in 92 w/ the Mavs, missed first 50+ of the season; we also got Christie from SEA because they couldn't come to terms and the Smelts had to trade Jon Barry to MIL for Alaa A).

Aholes and nitwits and peach fuzzers often don't have the patience to read that or they don't get how all that conspired to "help" the Lakers.

It took pick protection, a draft lottery eliminating coin flip (and with balls instead of envelopes w/ folded corners), rules against trading consecutive 1st round picks, and closing of loopholes that gave advanced knowledge of the Draft and/or took draftees' ability to return to college after the Draft lottery to avoid all that stuff in future years. Ralph Sampson was the last to know the coin flip teams in advance (LAL and SDC). He returned to Virginia for his final year because he didn't want a 50/50 chance of being taken by the Clippers, which he plainly admitted to his entire career. In 79, Magic already knew the Lakers had won the flip before the deadline to declare for the Draft, which he admitted was what made him decide to leave for the NBA that season. Before all those changes, smart and solvent FOs like LA/BOS ran rough on the flyover franchises like it was their divine right. Too bad we still can't do that, yet today's fans are convinced that nothing has changed despite everything I just wrote.


Thanks for the explanation on the circumstances surrounding the Lakers draft picks and the NBA draft in general.

I think LandsbergerRules' point was that the Lakers didn't win the championship before drafting Magic. In other words, the Clippers fan he quoted is an idiot.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:48 pm    Post subject:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:18 am    Post subject:

Roger O. Thornhill wrote:

I think LandsbergerRules' point was that the Lakers didn't win the championship before drafting Magic. In other words, the Clippers fan he quoted is an idiot.


I got that, too, trust, but it often doesn't matter either way if the Clips fan gets a minor thing like the date wrong or not because they don't know how the Lakers got Magic and Worthy anyway, even if their dates are correct.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:39 am    Post subject:

I cannot get enough of these Clipper troll vids on youtube:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:07 am    Post subject:

https://streamable.com/az8iga

This is some good eye bleach after that Dodger game
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