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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:25 pm    Post subject:

I don't really like blaming Jerry. For the sake of argument lets say it was Jerry's call. He either had to do it or he had to lose Kawhi. The biggest free agent signing in franchise history. And lose him to possibly the Lakers.

Kawhi can blame himself. If he didn't put the Clippers over the barrel than the Thunder wouldn't have had the leverage to fleece the Clippers. He could have just signed. And the Clippers could have eventually found a 2nd star. Shai + a pick and an expiring contract is plenty good for a star. Especially if you give Shai a half a season to showcase on a winning team. Then you still have all your other picks and players like Lou/Harrell as trade bait for a third star. Clippers could have easily been the front runners for Beal. Whose play making skills they need way more than they needed PG.

Say what you will about Lebron. He was older and he believed enough in the Lakers to sign without a costar. You can scrutinize how much was given up for AD as well, but Lebron didn't put the Lakers over the barrel. He was already signed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:27 am    Post subject:

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I don't really like blaming Jerry. For the sake of argument lets say it was Jerry's call. He either had to do it or he had to lose Kawhi. The biggest free agent signing in franchise history. And lose him to possibly the Lakers.

Kawhi can blame himself. If he didn't put the Clippers over the barrel than the Thunder wouldn't have had the leverage to fleece the Clippers. He could have just signed. And the Clippers could have eventually found a 2nd star. Shai + a pick and an expiring contract is plenty good for a star. Especially if you give Shai a half a season to showcase on a winning team. Then you still have all your other picks and players like Lou/Harrell as trade bait for a third star. Clippers could have easily been the front runners for Beal. Whose play making skills they need way more than they needed PG.

Say what you will about Lebron. He was older and he believed enough in the Lakers to sign without a costar. You can scrutinize how much was given up for AD as well, but Lebron didn't put the Lakers over the barrel. He was already signed.


Totally. LeBron came here with no guarantee of a second co-star, but took the risk anyway (which is a testament to our franchise's trackrecord). Kwahi was recruiting everyone from KD to Jimmy Buckets but had to settle with PG13. Wonder how that tastes now.

Ridiculous thing is PG13 saying they had no "internal expectations" of winning this year. Moronic. All these moves were made to win NOW. Clippers might not even get out of the first round next year given the talent trajectory in the West.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:40 am    Post subject:

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and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:21 am    Post subject:

drae wrote:
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and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


I agree with that! I think they have one more year where they can be an elite contender and then that door is going to shut really hard and quick. They have no real way to extend it since they traded away nearly every bit of trade capital they once had to get this team. Kawhi, while still great most of this season was already looking like he took a bit of a decline from his Raptors and especially Spurs days and that is def. not going to get any better with each passing season.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:45 am    Post subject:

OKC owns all the Clippers first picks for the next half decade.....

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drae wrote:
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and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:13 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:20 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...


Both KL and PG have opt outs after next season, that’s why people think their window is short. If they have another season like this where they get bounced early and in embarrassing fashion, it’s a pretty decent bet one or both will be heavily weighing their options elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:27 am    Post subject:

You're assuming that Trez won't be returning, meanwhile there's plenty of chatter that he actually cost himself money with his play in the playoffs (which could bode well for the Clippers resigning him at a reasonable contact). Remember that because of the economic fallout of the virus/lockdown teams might be more fiscally conservative in the coming free agency season and not just throw around crazy money to players like Trez like they would've in years past.

Clippers will still have their Mid-Level Exception which could be enough to get them a good piece, especially if it's some veteran willing to take a paycut for one last chance at a championship.

Zubac and Landry Shamet are both 23 and haven't reached their primes yet, so there could be internal improvement from the players already on their roster.

Not to mention possible tactical improvement by replacing Doc with a better-suited coach.

Some of you are really letting your distaste and bitterness for the Clippers cloud your judgement, pretending like after ONE season their chances of a championship are completely done, which would've sounded like a ridiculous statement to ANYONE on this board at the beginning of this season or even the playoffs. Meanwhile you think that a Lakers team with an aging LeBron has a way longer championship window.

Assuming things go back to relative normalcy on the Covid front, next year will be more of a normal season. The unique bubble playoffs have lent themselves to crazy/unexpected results, which had less of a chance of happening under normal circumstances.

Jerry West is still the GOAT GM and you all are making the mistake of underestimating him like you did before they signed Kawhi.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:29 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
You're assuming that Trez won't be returning, meanwhile there's plenty of chatter that he actually cost himself money with his play in the playoffs (which could bode well for the Clippers resigning him at a reasonable contact). Remember that because of the economic fallout of the virus/lockdown teams might be more fiscally conservative in the coming free agency season and not just throw around crazy money to players like Trez like they would've in years past.

Clippers will still have their Mid-Level Exception which could be enough to get them a good piece, especially if it's some veteran willing to take a paycut for one last chance at a championship.

Zubac and Landry Shamet are both 23 and haven't reached their primes yet, so there could be internal improvement from the players already on their roster.

Not to mention possible tactical improvement by replacing Doc with a better-suited coach.

Some of you are really letting your distaste and bitterness for the Clippers cloud your judgement, pretending like after ONE season their chances of a championship are completely done, which would've sounded like a ridiculous statement to ANYONE on this board at the beginning of this season or even the playoffs. Meanwhile you think that a Lakers team with an aging LeBron has a way longer championship window.

Assuming things go back to relative normalcy on the Covid front, next year will be more of a normal season. The unique bubble playoffs have lent themselves to crazy/unexpected results, which had less of a chance of happening under normal circumstances.

Jerry West is still the GOAT GM and you all are making the mistake of underestimating him like you did before they signed Kawhi.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:31 am    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...


Both KL and PG have opt outs after next season, that’s why people think their window is short. If they have another season like this where they get bounced early and in embarrassing fashion, it’s a pretty decent bet one or both will be heavily weighing their options elsewhere.


Again, assumptions. Kawhi already has his rings, so he isn't in "LeBron/KD desperation mode" to go ring-chase somewhere else. LA is where he wanted to be. What if Kawhi opts in and PG13 opts out? Then you have Kawhi (still in his prime) and capspace to sign someone else.

Kawhi just put up 28 PPG, 9 TRB, 6 AST, 2 STL on 49% FG and some of ya'll are acting like "he's done".
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:32 am    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
Batguano wrote:
You're assuming that Trez won't be returning, meanwhile there's plenty of chatter that he actually cost himself money with his play in the playoffs (which could bode well for the Clippers resigning him at a reasonable contact). Remember that because of the economic fallout of the virus/lockdown teams might be more fiscally conservative in the coming free agency season and not just throw around crazy money to players like Trez like they would've in years past.

Clippers will still have their Mid-Level Exception which could be enough to get them a good piece, especially if it's some veteran willing to take a paycut for one last chance at a championship.

Zubac and Landry Shamet are both 23 and haven't reached their primes yet, so there could be internal improvement from the players already on their roster.

Not to mention possible tactical improvement by replacing Doc with a better-suited coach.

Some of you are really letting your distaste and bitterness for the Clippers cloud your judgement, pretending like after ONE season their chances of a championship are completely done, which would've sounded like a ridiculous statement to ANYONE on this board at the beginning of this season or even the playoffs. Meanwhile you think that a Lakers team with an aging LeBron has a way longer championship window.

Assuming things go back to relative normalcy on the Covid front, next year will be more of a normal season. The unique bubble playoffs have lent themselves to crazy/unexpected results, which had less of a chance of happening under normal circumstances.

Jerry West is still the GOAT GM and you all are making the mistake of underestimating him like you did before they signed Kawhi.




Do you have any actual intelligent counter-argument, or are you just going to flood the thread with emojis like a child with nothing to contribute? (My guess is you'll respond with another flood of emojis since you have nothing to say... )
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:38 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...


Both KL and PG have opt outs after next season, that’s why people think their window is short. If they have another season like this where they get bounced early and in embarrassing fashion, it’s a pretty decent bet one or both will be heavily weighing their options elsewhere.


Again, assumptions. Kawhi already has his rings, so he isn't in "LeBron/KD desperation mode" to go ring-chase somewhere else. LA is where he wanted to be. What if Kawhi opts in and PG13 opts out? Then you have Kawhi (still in his prime) and capspace to sign someone else.

Kawhi just put up 28 PPG, 9 TRB, 6 AST, 2 STL on 49% FG and some of ya'll are acting like "he's done".


Too bad those numbers didn't mean much since he got tight and choked along with with teammates allllllll 4th quarter long in game 7

BTW they made a new Clippers subreddit that is currently open since you look a little lost in here
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:40 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...


Nothing you said disputes what I said about the Clipper having a 2 year window, because everyone knows it's the case.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:42 am    Post subject:

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Clippers will still have their Mid-Level Exception which could be enough to get them a good piece, especially if it's some veteran willing to take a paycut for one last chance at a championship.


A good piece, not a piece to replace the current and former 6th men of the year. Or to offset the decline of the person who is arguably the vocal leader of the Clippers and the defensive dawg on the floor.

Batguano wrote:

Zubac and Landry Shamet are both 23 and haven't reached their primes yet, so there could be internal improvement from the players already on their roster.


An old fashioned center who can't score points, and a good 3 and D guy for the future. Neither of which will bring the Clippers a championship.

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Not to mention possible tactical improvement by replacing Doc with a better-suited coach.


... That is true.

Can't argue with that.

Big true.

Doc Rivers is a terrible coach. If he returns next year the Clippers aren't winning anything.

Also GWS have big trade pieces to make a move this year. Look for a resurgent GWS next year and a threatening Brooklyn. This was the Clippers and Lakers best chance to win a chip, things are about to get heated next year, and Playoff Pee just frittered it away.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:59 am    Post subject:

hype wrote:
Batguano wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...


Both KL and PG have opt outs after next season, that’s why people think their window is short. If they have another season like this where they get bounced early and in embarrassing fashion, it’s a pretty decent bet one or both will be heavily weighing their options elsewhere.


Again, assumptions. Kawhi already has his rings, so he isn't in "LeBron/KD desperation mode" to go ring-chase somewhere else. LA is where he wanted to be. What if Kawhi opts in and PG13 opts out? Then you have Kawhi (still in his prime) and capspace to sign someone else.

Kawhi just put up 28 PPG, 9 TRB, 6 AST, 2 STL on 49% FG and some of ya'll are acting like "he's done".


Too bad those numbers didn't mean much since he got tight and choked along with with teammates allllllll 4th quarter long in game 7

BTW they made a new Clippers subreddit that is currently open since you look a little lost in here


Yes, how DARE I defend the GOAT GM Jerry West, a guy that has brought so much success to our franchise as a player and then as a GM from dumb slander and not fall victim to prisoner of the moment/biased overreactions to the Clippers loss. That definitely makes me a "Clippers fan". I invite you equally to go post on the Lakers subreddit as well since your brand of analysis will fit better there in the echo-chambers devoid of reality.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:10 am    Post subject:

Oh and one more thing.

Not only was Montrezl looking really unhappy throughout the season, before the season started he signed with Rich Paul and Klutch. Now what Rich Paul will obviously do is try his best to put Montrezl back on Lebron's biggest Western rival ...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:16 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
hype wrote:
Batguano wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...


Both KL and PG have opt outs after next season, that’s why people think their window is short. If they have another season like this where they get bounced early and in embarrassing fashion, it’s a pretty decent bet one or both will be heavily weighing their options elsewhere.


Again, assumptions. Kawhi already has his rings, so he isn't in "LeBron/KD desperation mode" to go ring-chase somewhere else. LA is where he wanted to be. What if Kawhi opts in and PG13 opts out? Then you have Kawhi (still in his prime) and capspace to sign someone else.

Kawhi just put up 28 PPG, 9 TRB, 6 AST, 2 STL on 49% FG and some of ya'll are acting like "he's done".


Too bad those numbers didn't mean much since he got tight and choked along with with teammates allllllll 4th quarter long in game 7

BTW they made a new Clippers subreddit that is currently open since you look a little lost in here


Yes, how DARE I defend the GOAT GM Jerry West, a guy that has brought so much success to our franchise as a player and then as a GM from dumb slander and not fall victim to prisoner of the moment/biased overreactions to the Clippers loss. That definitely makes me a "Clippers fan". I invite you equally to go post on the Lakers subreddit as well since your brand of analysis will fit better there in the echo-chambers devoid of reality.


That GOAT could have killed the franchise for another 10+ years if they don't win it next year. I even said earlier West is far from the biggest to blame but the lack of leadership in that franchise as a whole and especially the roster itself is looking to be a massive reason they imploded.

Not a prisoner at all though, i've been saying most of this since the beginning of the season. Also, Jerry is aiming to destroy the Lakers chances at winning ever since he left and rightfully so. I'm not going to root for the guy or give him extra praise outside of what he did for us.

Thanks for that invite though! Your username about matches up with the post quality.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:17 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
Batguano wrote:
You're assuming that Trez won't be returning, meanwhile there's plenty of chatter that he actually cost himself money with his play in the playoffs (which could bode well for the Clippers resigning him at a reasonable contact). Remember that because of the economic fallout of the virus/lockdown teams might be more fiscally conservative in the coming free agency season and not just throw around crazy money to players like Trez like they would've in years past.

Clippers will still have their Mid-Level Exception which could be enough to get them a good piece, especially if it's some veteran willing to take a paycut for one last chance at a championship.

Zubac and Landry Shamet are both 23 and haven't reached their primes yet, so there could be internal improvement from the players already on their roster.

Not to mention possible tactical improvement by replacing Doc with a better-suited coach.

Some of you are really letting your distaste and bitterness for the Clippers cloud your judgement, pretending like after ONE season their chances of a championship are completely done, which would've sounded like a ridiculous statement to ANYONE on this board at the beginning of this season or even the playoffs. Meanwhile you think that a Lakers team with an aging LeBron has a way longer championship window.

Assuming things go back to relative normalcy on the Covid front, next year will be more of a normal season. The unique bubble playoffs have lent themselves to crazy/unexpected results, which had less of a chance of happening under normal circumstances.

Jerry West is still the GOAT GM and you all are making the mistake of underestimating him like you did before they signed Kawhi.




Do you have any actual intelligent counter-argument, or are you just going to flood the thread with emojis like a child with nothing to contribute? (My guess is you'll respond with another flood of emojis since you have nothing to say... )


Fine, I'll actually reply and stop clowning. If you want some actual analysis, the Lakers are probably hoping like hell that Harrell resigns, whatever he costs. He's borderline unplayable in crunch time against good playoff teams because of a complete lack of defense, and ditto Lou, of course. The Clippers are already under the gun big time because both Kawhi and PG have contracts that could expire after next season, potentially. And if we're being realistic, we know AD is re-signing with the Lakers, although it's possible he could sign a 2+1 instead of the long-term deal (we'll just have to see). Meanwhile, Kawhi can't even stay healthy being load-managed AND with 4 months off because of the pandemic. Yeah, they have a nice team right now, but it's clearly a fractured bunch, generally you need two superstars to win a championship in this league, and PG is not one of those. How many times do you need to see him wilt? That last point is so important. For the most part, NBA Finals winners have 2 superstars. The Clippers don't have a second one. You can talk about things on the margins, Zubac being a nice player (which he is) and Shamet having a chance to be a solid role player, all that. People focus too often on things like this. The Lakers have something that the Clippers just don't, and that's two legit superstars that complement each other perfectly. If PG isn't that guy -- which he isn't -- what's the answer? The Lakers may not have players behind LeBron and AD that are as flashy or as offensively-talented as the Clippers currently do, but when you can play defense around two superstars, and when guys just play their roles, that works.

Maybe they make a run and win it next year; I won't say that isn't within the realm of possibility if PG all of a sudden can handle the pressure. But all I know is that the Lakers are the clear favorite to win the title this season, and the Clippers are under the gun. Don't think for a second that at least one, or maybe both, of Kawhi/PG will bounce if next year doesn't go well. Even a WCF loss next year won't be good enough for Kawhi, I'm guessing. And yes, LeBron is older than Kawhi, but his body is undeniably in much, much, much better shape. That is not even debatable.

Oh, also, most people (including Laker fans) were severely overrating Jerry West's impact as an executive right now. This is not prime Jerry West we are talking about as an exec. And do we even know if he makes the final call on personnel moves? You can't have it both ways. If he does, then he absolutely deserves blame for putting together a roster that fell far short of realistic expectations. And if he's merely a voice who advises but doesn't make the final call, well, then he didn't deserve the praise he got in the offseason, did he?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:31 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
You're assuming that Trez won't be returning, meanwhile there's plenty of chatter that he actually cost himself money with his play in the playoffs (which could bode well for the Clippers resigning him at a reasonable contact). Remember that because of the economic fallout of the virus/lockdown teams might be more fiscally conservative in the coming free agency season and not just throw around crazy money to players like Trez like they would've in years past.

Clippers will still have their Mid-Level Exception which could be enough to get them a good piece, especially if it's some veteran willing to take a paycut for one last chance at a championship.

Zubac and Landry Shamet are both 23 and haven't reached their primes yet, so there could be internal improvement from the players already on their roster.

Not to mention possible tactical improvement by replacing Doc with a better-suited coach.

Some of you are really letting your distaste and bitterness for the Clippers cloud your judgement, pretending like after ONE season their chances of a championship are completely done, which would've sounded like a ridiculous statement to ANYONE on this board at the beginning of this season or even the playoffs. Meanwhile you think that a Lakers team with an aging LeBron has a way longer championship window.

Assuming things go back to relative normalcy on the Covid front, next year will be more of a normal season. The unique bubble playoffs have lent themselves to crazy/unexpected results, which had less of a chance of happening under normal circumstances.

Jerry West is still the GOAT GM and you all are making the mistake of underestimating him like you did before they signed Kawhi.


As long as they have Lou and PG, they aint winning, that's a fact until they proven me wrong. lmfao
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:34 am    Post subject:

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Clippers are going to have to spend $15+m on Marcus Morris and another $18-20m on Trez.

It will be interesting to see how they try to improve because it isn't clear what the team needs to take that next step.


Trez is gonna get 18-20 after getting his pants pulled down in the playoffs??

I don't think so.

I don't even see how a team pays Marcus Morris 15 mil quite frankly.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:39 am    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Clippers are going to have to spend $15+m on Marcus Morris and another $18-20m on Trez.

It will be interesting to see how they try to improve because it isn't clear what the team needs to take that next step.


Trez is gonna get 18-20 after getting his pants pulled down in the playoffs??

I don't think so.

I don't even see how a team pays Marcus Morris 15 mil quite frankly.


I can see a lower ranked team paying Trez his money. He was coming off an injury heading into the Playoffs. Trez has yet to be paid, I can see him going to some place like the Phoenix Suns to be paid, and I can see the Suns paying him. I don't see him accepting a pittance to stay at this Clippers team next year.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:43 am    Post subject:

hype wrote:
Batguano wrote:
hype wrote:
Batguano wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Batguano wrote:
drae wrote:
Batguano wrote:
and will have them contending for championships for the next half decade.


Lol, sorry the Clippers championship window closes after two years. And they gave up all their picks for that window.

Kawhi has peaked because of his injury, Lou Williams is almost 36 and he was key for them this year, Trez won't be returning and he was key for them this yea, Pat Bev is incredibly important and he's 32 and about to decline. Really hard to be a "dawg" when you're in your mid 30s.

They have one more year and they're done


Sure, buddy. Clippers window is somehow only 1-2 years but Lakers window with a 40 year old LeBron isn't...? Biased much? These overreactions are better suited for twitter or Reddit. You would think someone that's followed the NBA for so long would know never to speak in absolutes or prematurely get ahead of themselves. Funny how you started your post with them having "two more years" and by the end of your post it was down to "just one".

And if they win next year? Makes your take and OP's thread completely moot...


Both KL and PG have opt outs after next season, that’s why people think their window is short. If they have another season like this where they get bounced early and in embarrassing fashion, it’s a pretty decent bet one or both will be heavily weighing their options elsewhere.


Again, assumptions. Kawhi already has his rings, so he isn't in "LeBron/KD desperation mode" to go ring-chase somewhere else. LA is where he wanted to be. What if Kawhi opts in and PG13 opts out? Then you have Kawhi (still in his prime) and capspace to sign someone else.

Kawhi just put up 28 PPG, 9 TRB, 6 AST, 2 STL on 49% FG and some of ya'll are acting like "he's done".


Too bad those numbers didn't mean much since he got tight and choked along with with teammates allllllll 4th quarter long in game 7

BTW they made a new Clippers subreddit that is currently open since you look a little lost in here


Yes, how DARE I defend the GOAT GM Jerry West, a guy that has brought so much success to our franchise as a player and then as a GM from dumb slander and not fall victim to prisoner of the moment/biased overreactions to the Clippers loss. That definitely makes me a "Clippers fan". I invite you equally to go post on the Lakers subreddit as well since your brand of analysis will fit better there in the echo-chambers devoid of reality.


That GOAT could have killed the franchise for another 10+ years if they don't win it next year. I even said earlier West is far from the biggest to blame but the lack of leadership in that franchise as a whole and especially the roster itself is looking to be a massive reason they imploded.

Not a prisoner at all though, i've been saying most of this since the beginning of the season. Also, Jerry is aiming to destroy the Lakers chances at winning ever since he left and rightfully so. I'm not going to root for the guy or give him extra praise outside of what he did for us.

Thanks for that invite though! Your username about matches up with the post quality.


LOL. Riiiiiiiight. The Clippers were ALREADY DEAD for 10+ years until West got there. He actually gave them a shot to win a championship (which is still open). You're acting as if he squandered some bright future with a bunch of picks that no one knows what they would've turned into (and we know the draft is always a crap-shoot, even for the best GM's). He did what ANY GM would've done which is roll the dice on star players NOW that can potentially win you a chip.

Jerry hasn't been aiming to destroy anything. He got pushed out by Phil/Dr Buss the first time and DENIED a return by Magic/Jeannie Buss.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:37 am    Post subject:

Come on, guys. Let's not be mean. Let the Clippers fans dream. That's all they really have these days
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:47 am    Post subject:

Paul George's entire career mantra has been

"NEXT YEAR"
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