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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:16 am    Post subject:

The "national security" law is so, so bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:16 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?
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maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?



Gutless? Those protestors are incredibly brave.

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The new law's key provisions include that:

    Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

    Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

    Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

    Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

    Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

    This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

    In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

    Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

    Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

    Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

    People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

    Management of foreign non-governmental organizations and news agencies will be strengthened

    The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people "from outside [Hong Kong]... who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong".


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Given your twin pretenses that the new law is bad and that you believe in freedom, why are you just playing keyboard warrior?

And to counter your disingenuous question, there is no legitimate government in Hong Kong for the US to recognize.
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angrypuppy wrote:
maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?



Gutless? Those protestors are incredibly brave.

Quote:
The new law's key provisions include that:

    Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

    Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

    Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

    Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

    Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

    This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

    In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

    Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

    Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

    Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

    People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

    Management of foreign non-governmental organizations and news agencies will be strengthened

    The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people "from outside [Hong Kong]... who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong".


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Given your twin pretenses that the new law is bad and that you believe in freedom, why are you just playing keyboard warrior?

And to counter your disingenuous question, there is no legitimate government in Hong Kong for the US to recognize.

And to top it off, those "gutless" protestors are back in the streets today.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:40 pm    Post subject:

It takes a special kind of Chutzpah to live in the US and stan for the PRC vs the people of Hong Kong's desire for freedom.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:59 pm    Post subject:

angrypuppy wrote:
maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?



Gutless? Those protestors are incredibly brave.

Quote:
The new law's key provisions include that:

    Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

    Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

    Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

    Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

    Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

    This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

    In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

    Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

    Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

    Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

    People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

    Management of foreign non-governmental organizations and news agencies will be strengthened

    The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people "from outside [Hong Kong]... who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong".


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Given your twin pretenses that the new law is bad and that you believe in freedom, why are you just playing keyboard warrior?

And to counter your disingenuous question, there is no legitimate government in Hong Kong for the US to recognize.


gutless is for the organization that was disbanded, the politicians that retired or flee. There was always laws to arrest the street fighters, but the new law is deterring those who are behind the scenes pulling the strings.

all laws are bad because they restrict action where morality and society value fails to. The freedom I believe is not absolute, it has limit depends on many factors. I don't know who are you calling keyboard warrior when we're all giving our opinions in a public forum.

I don't know what you're talking about, since the US recognizes the chinese government in beijing, hong kong, and macau publicly. The only one they don't recognize in public is the one in taiwan.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:
maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?



Gutless? Those protestors are incredibly brave.

Quote:
The new law's key provisions include that:

    Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

    Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

    Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

    Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

    Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

    This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

    In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

    Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

    Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

    Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

    People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

    Management of foreign non-governmental organizations and news agencies will be strengthened

    The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people "from outside [Hong Kong]... who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong".


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Given your twin pretenses that the new law is bad and that you believe in freedom, why are you just playing keyboard warrior?

And to counter your disingenuous question, there is no legitimate government in Hong Kong for the US to recognize.

And to top it off, those "gutless" protestors are back in the streets today.


they are always on the street, especially on the yearly 7/1 event. you could notice that their number is way less than previous years/events.

before the new law, the ones on the street would get all the punishments by law, while the ones organizing them gets nothing but money and political benefits.

now hopefully with the new law, the ones behind the scenes would get arrested and convicted as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:09 pm    Post subject:

maomao wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:
maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?



Gutless? Those protestors are incredibly brave.

Quote:
The new law's key provisions include that:

    Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

    Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

    Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

    Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

    Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

    This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

    In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

    Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

    Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

    Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

    People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

    Management of foreign non-governmental organizations and news agencies will be strengthened

    The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people "from outside [Hong Kong]... who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong".


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Given your twin pretenses that the new law is bad and that you believe in freedom, why are you just playing keyboard warrior?

And to counter your disingenuous question, there is no legitimate government in Hong Kong for the US to recognize.


gutless is for the organization that was disbanded, the politicians that retired or flee. There was always laws to arrest the street fighters, but the new law is deterring those who are behind the scenes pulling the strings.

all laws are bad because they restrict action where morality and society value fails to. The freedom I believe is not absolute, it has limit depends on many factors. I don't know who are you calling keyboard warrior when we're all giving our opinions in a public forum.

I don't know what you're talking about, since the US recognizes the chinese government in beijing, hong kong, and macau publicly. The only one they don't recognize in public is the one in taiwan.


Interesting you decry the keyboard warrior but you are doing the same thing except for the pro-CCP loyalist point of view.
And the US government recognizing the PRC had nothing to do with their lack of support for Taiwan, they did it at the time because their mission was to thwart the USSR. They still keep the recognition today not because of political benefits but monetary benefits to corporate America.
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Read that one carefully. It used to be that protestors got punished but "organizers" didn't, and the problem is solved not by allowing people to gather and protest, but by arresting them and anyone who helps or associates with them.

Basically maomao, if left to talk for more than two sentences, reveals his true message. His "national security" concerns and belief in freedom are merely canards to be used to get to the real issue, the communist party takeover of Hong Kong and the violent and absolute crackdown on any and all who would disagree with anything.
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I hope you all also realized that we already saved $200 million dollars as a result of this new law. And all the future funding will stop because all those money would be confiscated by the court under the new law.
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I hope you all also realized that we already saved $200 million dollars as a result of this new law. And all the future funding will stop because all those money would be confiscated by the court under the new law.


Just think how much we would have saved by staying out of ww2. Because money is of course the key component of democracy and human rights. What's a little repression or genocide, or a lot really?
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maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:
maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?



Gutless? Those protestors are incredibly brave.

Quote:
The new law's key provisions include that:

    Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

    Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

    Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

    Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

    Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

    This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

    In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

    Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

    Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

    Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

    People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

    Management of foreign non-governmental organizations and news agencies will be strengthened

    The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people "from outside [Hong Kong]... who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong".


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Given your twin pretenses that the new law is bad and that you believe in freedom, why are you just playing keyboard warrior?

And to counter your disingenuous question, there is no legitimate government in Hong Kong for the US to recognize.

And to top it off, those "gutless" protestors are back in the streets today.


they are always on the street, especially on the yearly 7/1 event. you could notice that their number is way less than previous years/events.

before the new law, the ones on the street would get all the punishments by law, while the ones organizing them gets nothing but money and political benefits.

now hopefully with the new law, the ones behind the scenes would get arrested and convicted as well.



I'm being facetious when I call you a keyboard warrior, mostly because you're obviously duplicitous. You pretend to call the law bad, and yet you just demonstrated that you are in fact in favor of it. I set that little trap, I'm glad you took the bait.

By the way, there is no recognition of Hong Kong as an independent sovereign entity in the US. Hong Kong is part of the People's Republic, thus there is a consulate office but no ambassador. I wouldn't expect you to know that, being that if you are in HK, you probably took that required "Common Sense" class in school, which is a nationalistic propaganda indoctrination course rather than a civics or political science course.
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Read that one carefully. It used to be that protestors got punished but "organizers" didn't, and the problem is solved not by allowing people to gather and protest, but by arresting them and anyone who helps or associates with them.

Basically maomao, if left to talk for more than two sentences, reveals his true message. His "national security" concerns and belief in freedom are merely canards to be used to get to the real issue, the communist party takeover of Hong Kong and the violent and absolute crackdown on any and all who would disagree with anything.


you realized there are violence from both side right? you realized there are people who don't share the same opinions as the protestors and were beaten and killed in this right?

many hong kong people has lost many of their freedom for most of last year due to all the protests and violence. I believe those who are violent should go to jail, so are those that are behind the scenes.
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Omar Little wrote:
maomao wrote:
I hope you all also realized that we already saved $200 million dollars as a result of this new law. And all the future funding will stop because all those money would be confiscated by the court under the new law.


Just think how much we would have saved by staying out of ww2. Because money is of course the key component of democracy and human rights. What's a little repression or genocide, or a lot really?


I don't want to get off topic, but we actually profited tremendously out of ww2, it let us out of the great depression and became the most powerful country in every way. You know that UK paid off all their loans to us till the 90s or early 2000s right? all because of ww2.
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angrypuppy wrote:
maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:
maomao wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
The "national security" law is so, so bad.


agree, but it's effective as the gutless hong kongers / organizations flee/retire/dissolved right before the announcement.

time for the us congress to make a hong kong "independence" law?



Gutless? Those protestors are incredibly brave.

Quote:
The new law's key provisions include that:

    Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

    Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

    Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

    Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

    Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

    This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

    In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

    Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

    Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

    Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

    People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

    Management of foreign non-governmental organizations and news agencies will be strengthened

    The law will also apply to non-permanent residents and people "from outside [Hong Kong]... who are not permanent residents of Hong Kong".


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52765838

Given your twin pretenses that the new law is bad and that you believe in freedom, why are you just playing keyboard warrior?

And to counter your disingenuous question, there is no legitimate government in Hong Kong for the US to recognize.

And to top it off, those "gutless" protestors are back in the streets today.


they are always on the street, especially on the yearly 7/1 event. you could notice that their number is way less than previous years/events.

before the new law, the ones on the street would get all the punishments by law, while the ones organizing them gets nothing but money and political benefits.

now hopefully with the new law, the ones behind the scenes would get arrested and convicted as well.



I'm being facetious when I call you a keyboard warrior, mostly because you're obviously duplicitous. You pretend to call the law bad, and yet you just demonstrated that you are in fact in favor of it. I set that little trap, I'm glad you took the bait.

By the way, there is no recognition of Hong Kong as an independent sovereign entity in the US. Hong Kong is part of the People's Republic, thus there is a consulate office but no ambassador. I wouldn't expect you to know that, being that if you are in HK, you probably took that required "Common Sense" class in school, which is a nationalistic propaganda indoctrination course rather than a civics or political science course.



how does this contradict in anyway of what I said? the US recognized the government in hk, the same way they recognized the government in macau, obviously it's not independent of china, since both are chinese SAR.

first of all, I'm not in hk, but if I am, I wouldn't be taking the "common sense" class since it's some what new. I would be taking the required chinese history class. But that requirement was replaced by the "common sense" class in the last 10 or so years. I think that contributed to the situation of hong kong we see today.
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Omar Little wrote:
maomao wrote:
I hope you all also realized that we already saved $200 million dollars as a result of this new law. And all the future funding will stop because all those money would be confiscated by the court under the new law.


Just think how much we would have saved by staying out of ww2. Because money is of course the key component of democracy and human rights. What's a little repression or genocide, or a lot really?


I don't want to get off topic, but we actually profited tremendously out of ww2, it let us out of the great depression and became the most powerful country in every way. You know that UK paid off all their loans to us till the 90s or early 2000s right? all because of ww2.


But the US never got repayment from the USSR and China despite us supplying them with tons of weapons and supplies thanks to our untouched industrial base at the time.
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Omar Little wrote:
maomao wrote:
I hope you all also realized that we already saved $200 million dollars as a result of this new law. And all the future funding will stop because all those money would be confiscated by the court under the new law.


Just think how much we would have saved by staying out of ww2. Because money is of course the key component of democracy and human rights. What's a little repression or genocide, or a lot really?


I don't want to get off topic, but we actually profited tremendously out of ww2, it let us out of the great depression and became the most powerful country in every way. You know that UK paid off all their loans to us till the 90s or early 2000s right? all because of ww2.


But the US never got repayment from the USSR and China despite us supplying them with tons of weapons thanks to our untouched industrial base at the time.


I don't know about Russian, but the same chinese government is actually in taiwan now. While we don't get repayments, we're still able to sell them old weapons for massive $ for the last 50 years or so. That's pretty fair I would say.
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maomao wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
maomao wrote:
I hope you all also realized that we already saved $200 million dollars as a result of this new law. And all the future funding will stop because all those money would be confiscated by the court under the new law.


Just think how much we would have saved by staying out of ww2. Because money is of course the key component of democracy and human rights. What's a little repression or genocide, or a lot really?


I don't want to get off topic, but we actually profited tremendously out of ww2, it let us out of the great depression and became the most powerful country in every way. You know that UK paid off all their loans to us till the 90s or early 2000s right? all because of ww2.


But the US never got repayment from the USSR and China despite us supplying them with tons of weapons thanks to our untouched industrial base at the time.


I don't know about Russian, but the same chinese government is actually in taiwan now. While we don't get repayments, we're still able to sell them old weapons for massive $ for the last 50 years or so. That's pretty fair I would say.


Last I remember, the US sent manpower and weapons to the Chinese mainland to fight Japan. Saying that the Chinese government is in Taiwan is a pretty slick argument to avoid repayment, considering the Communist government reaped all the benefits of the US involvement in China during WW2 while avoiding the monetary responsibilities. And the current Taiwanese government buys American weapon systems for their market value so I doubt we reap much benefits from that sale other than to keep it from being overrun by the Communists.
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I hope you all also realized that we already saved $200 million dollars as a result of this new law. And all the future funding will stop because all those money would be confiscated by the court under the new law.


Just think how much we would have saved by staying out of ww2. Because money is of course the key component of democracy and human rights. What's a little repression or genocide, or a lot really?


I don't want to get off topic, but we actually profited tremendously out of ww2, it let us out of the great depression and became the most powerful country in every way. You know that UK paid off all their loans to us till the 90s or early 2000s right? all because of ww2.


But the US never got repayment from the USSR and China despite us supplying them with tons of weapons thanks to our untouched industrial base at the time.


I don't know about Russian, but the same chinese government is actually in taiwan now. While we don't get repayments, we're still able to sell them old weapons for massive $ for the last 50 years or so. That's pretty fair I would say.


Last I remember, the US sent manpower and weapons to the Chinese mainland to fight Japan. Saying that the Chinese government is in Taiwan is a pretty slick argument to avoid repayment, considering the Communist government reaped all the benefits of the US involvement in China during WW2 while avoiding the monetary responsibilities. And the current Taiwanese government buys American weapon systems for their market value so I doubt we reap much benefits from that sale other than to keep it from being overrun by the Communists.


having studied that part of history myself, we wasn't sure about our intensions back then, and probably second guessed ourselves during the cold war till now.

The diplomats we sent to china on one hand try to make peace between the ccp and kmt and then sees the drastic differences between the two sides in terms of corruption and public support. The last straw was the KMT backed Duey who lost that election and all the support of the KMT were pulled. Had duey won, things would have been different.

The stuff we sell to taiwan are not really market value, just compare to the things we sell to singapore, you would see that we're getting our money back from the old chinese government.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:40 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:00 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
If I give you 50 cents, will you take a post off?


I wouldn't have reply to that if it's from someone else, but I respect you as the mod of the forum.

But no, because the US government pays by hours, not by number of posts.

anyways, if you have better argument in this matter, please bring it. But if all you want is to call me whatever, I have no further reply to any of that.
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