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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:35 am    Post subject:

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N95 prices on amazon jacked up, these sellers are a-hole


i ordered a couple days ago several boxes of 20 of gerson surgical grade n95 masks from amazon for $55 each. before i ordered, there were 12 left.

surgical grade is more expensive, but only the more expensive masks are available. these do not have the valves for comfort, but i was told they work better for preventing exposure. i read things that disagree with that. but i am just helping a friend so i buy what she wants.


yeah, saw some sellers selling 10 N95 mask (3M) for $186


right supply and demand in display here...
i now have the problem of figuring how to send it to her without having it confiscated by the government or stolen by someone in between...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:42 am    Post subject:

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N95 prices on amazon jacked up, these sellers are a-hole


i ordered a couple days ago several boxes of 20 of gerson surgical grade n95 masks from amazon for $55 each. before i ordered, there were 12 left.

surgical grade is more expensive, but only the more expensive masks are available. these do not have the valves for comfort, but i was told they work better for preventing exposure. i read things that disagree with that. but i am just helping a friend so i buy what she wants.


yeah, saw some sellers selling 10 N95 mask (3M) for $186


right supply and demand in display here...
i now have the problem of figuring how to send it to her without having it confiscated by the government or stolen by someone in between...

not 100% sure but parts of NYC (Queens) ran out of N95 in medical supply stores
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:53 am    Post subject:

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Bad news if true.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594
It means the Chinese government has one set of data and they send the public another set of data, where the deaths are vastly lowered. This thing sounds like its spinning out of control.


actually i ran across some information that allows a reasonable estimate - there are 49 crematoriums in wuhan alone (an exiled billionaire made a similar estimate)
everything i read have the crematoriums in wuhan working 24 hours a day.
now that allows estimates to be made.
the quarantine went into effect on jan 23rd.
that gives us 17 days of the 49 crematoriums working 24 hours a day.
one article said one particular crematorium had a capacity of 100 bodies if it worked nonstop.
for the sake of math, lets say 17 x 49 = 850 (close enough)
850 x 100/day ~ 85,000 bodies
lets be 'generous' and assume that the crematoriums did not start working full capacity until jan 25-30. that is still 50,000 to 75,000 bodies.

that is far beyond the 800 deaths (for entire country not just wuhan the city) from the government and this is for wuhan only (though probably the great majority of the deaths are probably there).

wow this is really bad.
though my friends in guangdong and shanghai said things are ok there.
but hubei province and wuhan got it bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:20 pm    Post subject:

Nothing to be worried about.

I have it on good authority, some would say the best authority, that warmer weather kills this kind of virus.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:26 pm    Post subject:

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Nothing to be worried about.

I have it on good authority, some would say the best authority, that warmer weather kills this kind of virus.


You got that wrong. You gotta rub some herbs on it. And some acupuncture.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:00 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
Nothing to be worried about.

I have it on good authority, some would say the best authority, that warmer weather kills this kind of virus.


You got that wrong. You gotta rub some herbs on it. And some acupuncture.


Rub some 'Tussin on it. Or is that spray some Windex???
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:40 pm    Post subject:

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Hector the Pup wrote:
Nothing to be worried about.

I have it on good authority, some would say the best authority, that warmer weather kills this kind of virus.


You got that wrong. You gotta rub some herbs on it. And some acupuncture.


Rub some 'Tussin on it. Or is that spray some Windex???


In my family we used vodka for everything
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:41 pm    Post subject:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html
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Hong Kong officials evacuated and quarantined dozens of residents of an apartment building after two people living on different floors were found to be infected with the coronavirus, the authorities said on Tuesday.

The two cases appeared to suggest that the virus had spread through the building, perhaps through a pipe, raising new fears about the virus’s ability to spread.

Officials from the city’s Center for Health Protection said the decision to partially evacuate the building was made after the discovery of a unsealed bathroom pipe in the apartment of a newly confirmed patient, a 62-year-old woman. She lives 10 floors below a resident who was earlier found to be infected.

In addition to the infected residents, four other people living in three different units displayed symptoms of the coronavirus, according to Sophia Chan, Hong Kong’s health secretary.

In all, quarantines were ordered for the residents of 23 units of the Hong Mei House, a building on the Cheung Hong Estate, a public housing block in the New Territories section of the city.
The local outbreak prompted comparisons to an incident in 2003 when 329 residents of a housing estate in Hong Kong became infected with SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome. The virus was later found to have spread through defective piping. Forty-two of the infected residents died.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:10 am    Post subject:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
Nothing to be worried about.

I have it on good authority, some would say the best authority, that warmer weather kills this kind of virus.


You got that wrong. You gotta rub some herbs on it. And some acupuncture.


Rub some 'Tussin on it. Or is that spray some Windex???


In my family we used vodka for everything


go to the original, tiger balm then do some coining
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:29 am    Post subject:

this is disgusting, my wife's parents both worked in a hospital in southern china before their retirement. according to their ex-colleague, from the medical only communication channels they were told that first hospital who the whistleblower had worked for is being punished by the chinese government. they basically cut all their medical supplies, even for face masks and protective clothing. doctors in that hospital have to wear the same mask for a week. this is sickening, and troubling to understand at the same point. why would the government do that? just because a doctor came out first with the news? it doesn't make any sense. it wasn't like the whistleblower said something bad about the government.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:37 am    Post subject:

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this is disgusting, my wife's parents both worked in a hospital in southern china before their retirement. according to their ex-colleague, from the medical only communication channels they were told that first hospital who the whistleblower had worked for is being punished by the chinese government. they basically cut all their medical supplies, even for face masks and protective clothing. doctors in that hospital have to wear the same mask for a week. this is sickening, and troubling to understand at the same point. why would the government do that? just because a doctor came out first with the news? it doesn't make any sense. it wasn't like the whistleblower said something bad about the government.


this is just the steroid version of Trump firing Sondland, Vindman and Vindman, same principle
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:30 am    Post subject:

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this is disgusting, my wife's parents both worked in a hospital in southern china before their retirement. according to their ex-colleague, from the medical only communication channels they were told that first hospital who the whistleblower had worked for is being punished by the chinese government. they basically cut all their medical supplies, even for face masks and protective clothing. doctors in that hospital have to wear the same mask for a week. this is sickening, and troubling to understand at the same point. why would the government do that? just because a doctor came out first with the news? it doesn't make any sense. it wasn't like the whistleblower said something bad about the government.


I'm very hopeful this is fake news. Honest.

If found any government official gave this command I would hope Xi puts him/her/them in prison for the rest of their natural lives. Or for a very long time.

If true and I presided over a country I would do all possible to boycott China until those responsible are brought to justice.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:44 am    Post subject:

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this is disgusting, my wife's parents both worked in a hospital in southern china before their retirement. according to their ex-colleague, from the medical only communication channels they were told that first hospital who the whistleblower had worked for is being punished by the chinese government. they basically cut all their medical supplies, even for face masks and protective clothing. doctors in that hospital have to wear the same mask for a week. this is sickening, and troubling to understand at the same point. why would the government do that? just because a doctor came out first with the news? it doesn't make any sense. it wasn't like the whistleblower said something bad about the government.


I'm very hopeful this is fake news. Honest.

If found any government official gave this command I would hope Xi puts him/her/them in prison for the rest of their natural lives. Or for a very long time.

If true and I presided over a country I would do all possible to boycott China until those responsible are brought to justice.


i don't think it's fake news. punishment isn't for what that doctor had done, it serves as a warming for any future occurrences. now any whistleblower has to think twice about speaking out on social media without going over with the government first.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject:

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ContagiousInspiration wrote:
SGV-Laker fan wrote:
this is disgusting, my wife's parents both worked in a hospital in southern china before their retirement. according to their ex-colleague, from the medical only communication channels they were told that first hospital who the whistleblower had worked for is being punished by the chinese government. they basically cut all their medical supplies, even for face masks and protective clothing. doctors in that hospital have to wear the same mask for a week. this is sickening, and troubling to understand at the same point. why would the government do that? just because a doctor came out first with the news? it doesn't make any sense. it wasn't like the whistleblower said something bad about the government.


I'm very hopeful this is fake news. Honest.

If found any government official gave this command I would hope Xi puts him/her/them in prison for the rest of their natural lives. Or for a very long time.

If true and I presided over a country I would do all possible to boycott China until those responsible are brought to justice.


i don't think it's fake news. punishment isn't for what that doctor had done, it serves as a warming for any future occurrences. now any whistleblower has to think twice about speaking out on social media without going over with the government first.


Punishing the innocent patients should be a serious crime on any planet
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:48 pm    Post subject:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:
SGV-Laker fan wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
SGV-Laker fan wrote:
this is disgusting, my wife's parents both worked in a hospital in southern china before their retirement. according to their ex-colleague, from the medical only communication channels they were told that first hospital who the whistleblower had worked for is being punished by the chinese government. they basically cut all their medical supplies, even for face masks and protective clothing. doctors in that hospital have to wear the same mask for a week. this is sickening, and troubling to understand at the same point. why would the government do that? just because a doctor came out first with the news? it doesn't make any sense. it wasn't like the whistleblower said something bad about the government.


I'm very hopeful this is fake news. Honest.

If found any government official gave this command I would hope Xi puts him/her/them in prison for the rest of their natural lives. Or for a very long time.

If true and I presided over a country I would do all possible to boycott China until those responsible are brought to justice.


i don't think it's fake news. punishment isn't for what that doctor had done, it serves as a warming for any future occurrences. now any whistleblower has to think twice about speaking out on social media without going over with the government first.


Punishing the innocent patients should be a serious crime on any planet


I don't think you understand Chinese history, the people are pretty much expendable.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:58 am    Post subject:

Reported cases spike by 15K as reporting requirements are relaxed.

I wonder what the number would look like without the change. It seemed to be trending slower the last few days. Maybe the new case trend was influenced more by testing availability than people being infected.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:30 pm    Post subject:

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Reported cases spike by 15K as reporting requirements are relaxed.

I wonder what the number would look like without the change. It seemed to be trending slower the last few days. Maybe the new case trend was influenced more by testing availability than people being infected.

Xi is firing provincial and city leaders so it might have been a case of regional officials underreporting to make it look like they had things under better control than they really did.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:56 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Reported cases spike by 15K as reporting requirements are relaxed.

I wonder what the number would look like without the change. It seemed to be trending slower the last few days. Maybe the new case trend was influenced more by testing availability than people being infected.

Xi is firing provincial and city leaders so it might have been a case of regional officials underreporting to make it look like they had things under better control than they really did.


It’s the opposite. The decisions on hiding the numbers were never on the ground. It's just that the heads who roll are almost always downstream of the heads who made the call.
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