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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:07 pm    Post subject:

Congrats to Mo, but some of it is just scoring by default. The Wizards have a God-awful roster outside of Beal.

Back in 2013, we had two second year guards start a couple playoff games and average 16-17 points while starting against the NBA Champions. The following year, one was out of the league, and the other became a journeyman, averaging under 3 points the rest of his career.

Where would Thomas Bryant and Wagner get their minutes in LA? They'd be playing for South Bay.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:55 pm    Post subject:

Pelicans won!

But no Ball, BI, Hart....injuries
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:00 pm    Post subject:

Whats the opposite of depressed ?

That's what I am

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:15 pm    Post subject:

Mo is 22nd in PER while Jason Tatum is 108, I honestly don’t know what to make out of that
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:16 pm    Post subject:

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Mo is 22nd in PER while Jason Tatum is 108, I honestly don’t know what to make out of that

Zubic 5th and Mitch Robinson 2nd....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:02 am    Post subject:

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Mo is 22nd in PER while Jason Tatum is 108, I honestly don’t know what to make out of that


That PER is a part of an ancient civilization?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:25 pm    Post subject:

Big Zu with another 12-10 game on 8 shots in 20 minutes. NBD. His per 36 minutes stats are ridiculous
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:07 am    Post subject:

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Congrats to Mo, but some of it is just scoring by default. The Wizards have a God-awful roster outside of Beal.

Back in 2013, we had two second year guards start a couple playoff games and average 16-17 points while starting against the NBA Champions. The following year, one was out of the league, and the other became a journeyman, averaging under 3 points the rest of his career.

Where would Thomas Bryant and Wagner get their minutes in LA? They'd be playing for South Bay.


Bryant should be our starting/backup center
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:11 am    Post subject:

There is a lot of talk about how the young guys losing should not be on them, but the teams or whatever. While I agree to an extent that you can win with young developing players if you surround them with good vets but the fact is the Lakers young guys did not do that even when they had Lebron, McGee, Rondo and guys like that. That is on them, IMO.

You look at the Mavs they have two young developing stars, in Luka and KP. KP it is basically his 4th year and coming off 20 months no ball. Luka his 2nd year. They are not very talented after those two. All role players. Yet 8-5 and pretty much could be 10-3 if not for some bad luck. To me some young players show very early they can play parts of winning basketball and others show the opposite. The Lakers young guys did the latter IMO. That is why I 100% supported the AD trade. There was no, zero, zilch, negative, championship window with them. Without them there still may not be a championship. However at least we are in contention.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:


But no Ball, BI, Hart....injuries


Both BI and Zo listed as out for tonight's game against the Blazers. Dame out but Melo making his debut.

I hope both of them are healthy by the time we play them on Nov 27th.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:21 pm    Post subject:

It's unfortunate that of all the years that we got the #2 pick, it didn't fall in the Luka/Trae draft.

But then again, would that mean they would have been wearing Pels jerseys?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:12 pm    Post subject:

Really miss Lonzo ball wearing a suit. Out hurt. Meanwhile we’re 12-2 with a two way superstar at age 26. All these former guys are on garbage teams.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:05 pm    Post subject:

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Really miss Lonzo ball wearing a suit. Out hurt. Meanwhile we’re 12-2 with a two way superstar at age 26. All these former guys are on garbage teams.


AD has been on a garbage team for the better part of his career.. What does that have to do with anything?

Bottom line is some of our former prospects are playing very well.. The Lakers also made out well.. Both of these things can be true.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:07 pm    Post subject:

numero-ocho wrote:
AD23 wrote:


But no Ball, BI, Hart....injuries


Both BI and Zo listed as out for tonight's game against the Blazers. Dame out but Melo making his debut.

I hope both of them are healthy by the time we play them on Nov 27th.


Ingram was never listed as out for that game..
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject:

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lakers4life78 wrote:
Really miss Lonzo ball wearing a suit. Out hurt. Meanwhile we’re 12-2 with a two way superstar at age 26. All these former guys are on garbage teams.


AD has been on a garbage team for the better part of his career.. What does that have to do with anything?

Bottom line is some of our former prospects are playing very well.. The Lakers also made out well.. Both of these things can be true.


AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke. Like the only decent team he played on had Mirotic and Rondo in the starting lineup. Brandon Ingram is the only player potentially that will even see an all star game of the guys we drafted. That's not a definite. Ball is ineffective or hurt.

People fawn over the box scores on these guys, they all put up numbers on lousy teams. Players like Randle and D'Lo do not even think about defense.

AD trade will go down as an all time great. Plus all these guys will be getting paid shortly.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:10 pm    Post subject:

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Really miss Lonzo ball wearing a suit. Out hurt. Meanwhile we’re 12-2 with a two way superstar at age 26. All these former guys are on garbage teams.


AD has been on a garbage team for the better part of his career.. What does that have to do with anything?

Bottom line is some of our former prospects are playing very well.. The Lakers also made out well.. Both of these things can be true.


AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke. Like the only decent team he played on had Mirotic and Rondo in the starting lineup. Brandon Ingram is the only player potentially that will even see an all star game of the guys we drafted. That's not a definite. Ball is ineffective or hurt.

People fawn over the box scores on these guys, they all put up numbers on lousy teams. Players like Randle and D'Lo do not even think about defense.

AD trade will go down as an all time great. Plus all these guys will be getting paid shortly.


Love the mental gymnastics.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:15 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
It's unfortunate that of all the years that we got the #2 pick, it didn't fall in the Luka/Trae draft.

But then again, would that mean they would have been wearing Pels jerseys?


As for Luka, I would hope not. I would argue that his offense is where AD’s defense is. AD’s offense is better than Luka’s defense. Luka is 20, has been healthy and won as a pro. AD will be 26, has an injury history and hasn’t won anything as a pro.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:59 pm    Post subject:

lakers4life78 wrote:
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Really miss Lonzo ball wearing a suit. Out hurt. Meanwhile we’re 12-2 with a two way superstar at age 26. All these former guys are on garbage teams.


AD has been on a garbage team for the better part of his career.. What does that have to do with anything?

Bottom line is some of our former prospects are playing very well.. The Lakers also made out well.. Both of these things can be true.


AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke. Like the only decent team he played on had Mirotic and Rondo in the starting lineup. Brandon Ingram is the only player potentially that will even see an all star game of the guys we drafted. That's not a definite. Ball is ineffective or hurt.

People fawn over the box scores on these guys, they all put up numbers on lousy teams. Players like Randle and D'Lo do not even think about defense.

AD trade will go down as an all time great. Plus all these guys will be getting paid shortly.


"AD is a top 5 player and a 2 way superstar, not his fault the pelicans were a joke."

Not these kids fault the teams they're playing on aren't performing well either. They were bad teams before they got there.

"they all put up numbers on lousy teams."

This to me is one of the silliest knocks people make on players. Didn't Bron put up exceptional numbers on a terrible team last season? Didn't AD? Others who have done so.. KG, Lamarcus Aldridge, Kobe Bryant, and a host of others. Those kids have very little to do with their teams records.

The same way Kuz has very little to do with the Lakers current record.. See how that works??? It's a team sport..
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:39 pm    Post subject:

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Congrats to Mo, but some of it is just scoring by default. The Wizards have a God-awful roster outside of Beal.

Back in 2013, we had two second year guards start a couple playoff games and average 16-17 points while starting against the NBA Champions. The following year, one was out of the league, and the other became a journeyman, averaging under 3 points the rest of his career.

Where would Thomas Bryant and Wagner get their minutes in LA? They'd be playing for South Bay.


Bryant should be our starting/backup center


We don't have the minutes to give him to warrant having matched his potential deal, which turned out to be 3yr/$25M.

It could have potentially cost us a full mid-level exception down the road just for the sake of a slightly younger frontcourt, without making us significantly better in the meantime. If anything, the loss of experience could hurt a team such as these Lakers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:10 pm    Post subject:

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Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote:
Congrats to Mo, but some of it is just scoring by default. The Wizards have a God-awful roster outside of Beal.

Back in 2013, we had two second year guards start a couple playoff games and average 16-17 points while starting against the NBA Champions. The following year, one was out of the league, and the other became a journeyman, averaging under 3 points the rest of his career.

Where would Thomas Bryant and Wagner get their minutes in LA? They'd be playing for South Bay.


Bryant should be our starting/backup center


We don't have the minutes to give him to warrant having matched his potential deal, which turned out to be 3yr/$25M.

It could have potentially cost us a full mid-level exception down the road just for the sake of a slightly younger frontcourt, without making us significantly better in the meantime. If anything, the loss of experience could hurt a team such as these Lakers.


If we had Bryant then we wouldn’t have Howard.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:51 pm    Post subject:

Question: if we took all our ex-players and put them all on one team, would we have a winning team?

What would be the price tag?

Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Thomas Bryant
Larry Nance
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubac
D'Angelo Russell
Svi
Bonga

Who else am I missing?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Wagner is looking great..
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:50 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
Question: if we took all our ex-players and put them all on one team, would we have a winning team?

What would be the price tag?

Julius Randle
Brandon Ingram
Lonzo Ball
Josh Hart
Mo Wagner
Thomas Bryant
Larry Nance
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubac
D'Angelo Russell
Svi
Bonga

Who else am I missing?

Still a losing team right now. Unless BI becomes the superstar. the rest are mostly role players .
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:41 am    Post subject:

we should have kept mo wags. did we really have to ditch him to even be in the running for kawhi? couldnt't we have just let him go IF we got kawhi instead?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:11 am    Post subject:

oaktown_dimond wrote:
we should have kept mo wags. did we really have to ditch him to even be in the running for kawhi? couldnt't we have just let him go IF we got kawhi instead?


We could have done a LOT if we knew KL was punking us. A LOT. (i.e. pursue someone like Jimmy Butler, or sign Green but have 17-18m to spend on other players and keep guys like Wags/Bonga/Jones). Not sure about the AD deal, but there was a salary cap reason for including the particular pieces b/c they wanted a full max for KL.
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