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| activeverb wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | TIL the real world is the less than 200K people who found a ranker poll.
Ranker ... I mean "real world" also says Abba is > BB King, Miles Davis, Santana, Billy Joel, Louis Armstrong |
Well you said “even the biggest Kobe hater in the world has him in their top 10”. (You want me to post quote it?) So is Ranker the biggest Kobe hater? Or are there bigger Kobe haters?
Is ESPN a bigger hater than Ranker? They have him outside the top 10 as well. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160205/all-nbarank-11-15
Either way, you were wrong. This is why arbitrary endpoints are problematic. |
Kobe being out of the top 10 is a joke. No matter who says it or how many say it. |
I'd say the consensus top 11 is Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Duncan, Lebron, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, and Magic.
Keeping any of them out of the top 10 seems ridiculous.
I think people forget how good all these guys are. I know 10 is a appealing number, but whoever you put 11th on this list isn't really far off from #1.
It's no insult to Duncan to put him behind Hakeem, and no insult to Wilt to put him behind Bird, etc. |
Exactly. Top “10” is just an arbitrary cutoff. There is almost no difference between whoever is #10 and #11 so to care so much is to be emotional, not logical.
(Though I get why people get emotional about this, it’s just good to acknowledge it because it seems like there is confusion on that) |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | You can't defend a ring chaser like Bron and say chips don't matter. If they didn't matter, he wouldn't be a ring chaser to begin with. |
“The Logic is Strong with this one” |
That sounds like logic to you? That is emotion, not logic. Lol.
Don’t need to look at ring count to know Lebron is better than Dillon Brooks. Do you? |
And what was illogical about the statement?? |
The motivation of a player like to chase rings only means whatever it means to that player.
In other words, that Lebron loves rings isn’t why rings should or shouldn’t “matter”. Ricky Davis loved chasing stats. That doesn’t mean stats should “matter”. Sprewell loved money. Does contract size = skill? What a player wants for themselves, logically, is irrelevant. |
Not sure about that. Especially when all the greats talk about rings as the #1 goal |
I would agree it is the #1 goal. So tell me what relevance having that goal is, to a discussion on who has more actual skill.
Chris Boucher has 2x rings. Giannis has zero. Who cares what their goals are, or what their ring count is.
Can you tell me who is better at basketball or no? |
Personally, I don't rank players based on "who is better at basketball."
I rank them mostly based on their basketball accomplishments.
Rings are one of those accomplishments.
However, all rings aren't created equal. I factor in whether the player in question was the #1 guy on the ring team or the #3 guy or the #10 guy. That's my way of factoring in team accomplishments when ranking players individually; your way might be different.
That said, I have no mathematical formula. I can't give you the relatively weight of all the stuff I consider. There can be differences in how I rank guys on different days. There is as much art to this for me as there is science. |
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LaLaLakeShow
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| ringfinger wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | TIL the real world is the less than 200K people who found a ranker poll.
Ranker ... I mean "real world" also says Abba is > BB King, Miles Davis, Santana, Billy Joel, Louis Armstrong |
Well you said “even the biggest Kobe hater in the world has him in their top 10”. (You want me to post quote it?) So is Ranker the biggest Kobe hater? Or are there bigger Kobe haters?
Is ESPN a bigger hater than Ranker? They have him outside the top 10 as well. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160205/all-nbarank-11-15
Either way, you were wrong. This is why arbitrary endpoints are problematic. |
Kobe being out of the top 10 is a joke. No matter who says it or how many say it. |
I'd say the consensus top 11 is Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Duncan, Lebron, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, and Magic.
Keeping any of them out of the top 10 seems ridiculous.
I think people forget how good all these guys are. I know 10 is a appealing number, but whoever you put 11th on this list isn't really far off from #1.
It's no insult to Duncan to put him behind Hakeem, and no insult to Wilt to put him behind Bird, etc. |
Exactly. Top “10” is just an arbitrary cutoff. There is almost no difference between whoever is #10 and #11 so to care so much is to be emotional, not logical.
(Though I get why people get emotional about this, it’s just good to acknowledge it because it seems like there is confusion on that) |
Each of them are all time greats. Legends |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | You can't defend a ring chaser like Bron and say chips don't matter. If they didn't matter, he wouldn't be a ring chaser to begin with. |
“The Logic is Strong with this one” |
That sounds like logic to you? That is emotion, not logic. Lol.
Don’t need to look at ring count to know Lebron is better than Dillon Brooks. Do you? |
And what was illogical about the statement?? |
The motivation of a player like to chase rings only means whatever it means to that player.
In other words, that Lebron loves rings isn’t why rings should or shouldn’t “matter”. Ricky Davis loved chasing stats. That doesn’t mean stats should “matter”. Sprewell loved money. Does contract size = skill? What a player wants for themselves, logically, is irrelevant. |
Not sure about that. Especially when all the greats talk about rings as the #1 goal |
I would agree it is the #1 goal. So tell me what relevance having that goal is, to a discussion on who has more actual skill.
Chris Boucher has 2x rings. Giannis has zero. Who cares what their goals are, or what their ring count is.
Can you tell me who is better at basketball or no? |
It’s not the only marker or goal of a great player, but it is the goal of every team. Rings matter and most of the all timers have them.
Giannis is quite young. Let’s see if he can get his franchise there |
So how can you tell me about who is better between Giannis and Dillon Brooks when neither have rings?
Are you able to compare their games and draw a conclusion without looking at ring count? |
As a fan of the game I have my opinions on which players are better overall, regardless of ring count. Yes.
Don’t all fans form similar conclusions? |
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| activeverb wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | TIL the real world is the less than 200K people who found a ranker poll.
Ranker ... I mean "real world" also says Abba is > BB King, Miles Davis, Santana, Billy Joel, Louis Armstrong |
Well you said “even the biggest Kobe hater in the world has him in their top 10”. (You want me to post quote it?) So is Ranker the biggest Kobe hater? Or are there bigger Kobe haters?
Is ESPN a bigger hater than Ranker? They have him outside the top 10 as well. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160205/all-nbarank-11-15
Either way, you were wrong. This is why arbitrary endpoints are problematic. |
Kobe being out of the top 10 is a joke. No matter who says it or how many say it. |
I'd say the consensus top 11 is Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Duncan, Lebron, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, and Magic.
Keeping any of them out of the top 10 seems ridiculous.
I think people forget how good all these guys are. I know 10 is a appealing number, but whoever you put 11th on this list isn't really far off from #1.
It's no insult to Duncan to put him behind Hakeem, and no insult to Wilt to put him behind Bird, etc. |
A perfectly reasonable take |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | TIL the real world is the less than 200K people who found a ranker poll.
Ranker ... I mean "real world" also says Abba is > BB King, Miles Davis, Santana, Billy Joel, Louis Armstrong |
Well you said “even the biggest Kobe hater in the world has him in their top 10”. (You want me to post quote it?) So is Ranker the biggest Kobe hater? Or are there bigger Kobe haters?
Is ESPN a bigger hater than Ranker? They have him outside the top 10 as well. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160205/all-nbarank-11-15
Either way, you were wrong. This is why arbitrary endpoints are problematic. |
Kobe being out of the top 10 is a joke. No matter who says it or how many say it. |
Is it? I am not sure I agree.
I mean, what exactly is the magnitude difference between a 10th ranked player and a 12th ranked player? Would you say the 10th ranked player is ... 2x better? 1.5x better? 10 percent? 1 percent?
Top “10” is just an arbitrary endpoint. Doesn’t mean the 11th is the same as the 1000000th either. Again, seems emotional, not logical. Who cares where others rank him anyway? |
I don’t care where others rank him, in the end. My opinion on him changes not. Their takes on the matter are still ridiculous to me, however |
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I mean very few people if any are really qualified to rank players all time because few lived to see all of them play live. And I doubt many people have seriously taken the time to watch sufficient game tape of those whom they did not watch live.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | I mean very few people if any are really qualified to rank players all time because few lived to see all of them play live. And I doubt many people have seriously taken the time to watch sufficient game tape of those whom they did not watch live. |
It really should just be all in good fun |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | You can't defend a ring chaser like Bron and say chips don't matter. If they didn't matter, he wouldn't be a ring chaser to begin with. |
“The Logic is Strong with this one” |
That sounds like logic to you? That is emotion, not logic. Lol.
Don’t need to look at ring count to know Lebron is better than Dillon Brooks. Do you? |
And what was illogical about the statement?? |
The motivation of a player like to chase rings only means whatever it means to that player.
In other words, that Lebron loves rings isn’t why rings should or shouldn’t “matter”. Ricky Davis loved chasing stats. That doesn’t mean stats should “matter”. Sprewell loved money. Does contract size = skill? What a player wants for themselves, logically, is irrelevant. |
Not sure about that. Especially when all the greats talk about rings as the #1 goal |
I would agree it is the #1 goal. So tell me what relevance having that goal is, to a discussion on who has more actual skill.
Chris Boucher has 2x rings. Giannis has zero. Who cares what their goals are, or what their ring count is.
Can you tell me who is better at basketball or no? |
It’s not the only marker or goal of a great player, but it is the goal of every team. Rings matter and most of the all timers have them.
Giannis is quite young. Let’s see if he can get his franchise there |
So how can you tell me about who is better between Giannis and Dillon Brooks when neither have rings?
Are you able to compare their games and draw a conclusion without looking at ring count? |
As a fan of the game I have my opinions on which players are better overall, regardless of ring count. Yes.
Don’t all fans form similar conclusions? |
Exactly. That is why ring count matters not, at least in terms of who is the better basketball player.
Ring count only matters when comparing championship victories. |
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My argument for Kobe over Bron is bigger than the two players. Devaluing championships when you are trying to separate the greatest who ever did it is idiotic. You are devaluing winning vs. losing.
And to say what the greats desire most (championships) doesn't matter is also dumb.
Imagine applying that elsewhere. Imagine if the top neurosurgeons in the country all decided that the success rate for X procedure is the most important factor when valuing what neurosurgeon is the best. But the public disagreed. Would you say the public is right? If so, good luck with that.
Positional responsibilities for each player, reffing, accompanying roster, competition all varies for the all time greats. One thing that doesn't. Whether it's 60s players like West and Chamberlain or 2010s players like Bron. They all agree. It's about the rings.
I trust the greats more than the people on ranker who more often than not root for a team that hasn't even won 2 chips EVER (as an organization).
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| activeverb wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | You can't defend a ring chaser like Bron and say chips don't matter. If they didn't matter, he wouldn't be a ring chaser to begin with. |
“The Logic is Strong with this one” |
That sounds like logic to you? That is emotion, not logic. Lol.
Don’t need to look at ring count to know Lebron is better than Dillon Brooks. Do you? |
And what was illogical about the statement?? |
The motivation of a player like to chase rings only means whatever it means to that player.
In other words, that Lebron loves rings isn’t why rings should or shouldn’t “matter”. Ricky Davis loved chasing stats. That doesn’t mean stats should “matter”. Sprewell loved money. Does contract size = skill? What a player wants for themselves, logically, is irrelevant. |
Not sure about that. Especially when all the greats talk about rings as the #1 goal |
I would agree it is the #1 goal. So tell me what relevance having that goal is, to a discussion on who has more actual skill.
Chris Boucher has 2x rings. Giannis has zero. Who cares what their goals are, or what their ring count is.
Can you tell me who is better at basketball or no? |
Personally, I don't rank players based on "who is better at basketball."
I rank them mostly based on their basketball accomplishments.
Rings are one of those accomplishments.
However, all rings aren't created equal. I factor in whether the player in question was the #1 guy on the ring team or the #3 guy or the #10 guy. That's my way of factoring in team accomplishments when ranking players individually; your way might be different.
That said, I have no mathematical formula. I can't give you the relatively weight of all the stuff I consider. There can be differences in how I rank guys on different days. There is as much art to this for me as there is science. |
I think accomplishments are a fine way to compare players.
I don’t think a person needs a mathematical formula. But I do think they need to explain what “better” means. Or I’d take X over Y. That can be arbitrary “better is whoever makes me giggle with glee” or it can be statistical.
Just saying Lebron>Kobe is fruitless without context because he’s certainly not better at playing power forward, for instance. |
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what are bill simmons's rankings? his are the only ones that matter
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also just as a sidenote to this thread it's a real shame these guys never matched up with eachother in the finals
not that it would really add to this debate much if they had but still
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | what are bill simmons's rankings? his are the only ones that matter |
Bird
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| kikanga wrote: | My argument for Kobe over Bron is bigger than the two players. Devaluing championships when you are trying to separate the greatest who ever did it is idiotic. You are devaluing winning vs. losing.
And to say what the greats desire most (championships) doesn't matter is also dumb.
Imagine applying that elsewhere. Imagine if the top neurosurgeons in the country all decided that the success rate for X procedure is the most important factor when valuing what neurosurgeon is the best. But the public disagreed. Would you say the public is right? If so, good luck with that.
Positional responsibilities for each player, reffing, accompanying roster, competition all varies for the all time greats. One thing that doesn't. Whether it's 60s players like West and Chamberlain or 2010s players like Bron. They all agree. It's about the rings.
I trust the greats more than the people on ranker who more often than not root for a team that hasn't even won 2 chips EVER (as an organization). |
If ring count actually mattered in splitting the difference between Kobe and Lebron, why are there 50+ pages, almost none of which is doing the non-complicated math of comparing the difference in ring counts?
What I am trying to tell you is that ring counts don’t matter when comparing basketball player skills. It only counts towards comparing accomplishments. |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | what are bill simmons's rankings? his are the only ones that matter |
Bird
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Pierce
Tatum |
Lebron would totally join that roster  . |
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Lol. Case closed....the majority does not dictate reality. Majorities in history have been proven wrong in their assumptions time and again.
Those polls do not reflect the knowledge of the person who clicked on the survey. When pundits repeat a phrase long enough the public at large assumes its validity. Pretend all you want that ESPN was not pushing LeBron as the Goat
The survey means less than nothing in this instance. I believe polls have been done asking former players who they would rank higher. If they pick Kobe over LeBron would that sway your opinion on the matter? Somehow I think not. Sportswriters and fans are who you lean on to hold up your argument.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | My argument for Kobe over Bron is bigger than the two players. Devaluing championships when you are trying to separate the greatest who ever did it is idiotic. You are devaluing winning vs. losing.
And to say what the greats desire most (championships) doesn't matter is also dumb.
Imagine applying that elsewhere. Imagine if the top neurosurgeons in the country all decided that the success rate for X procedure is the most important factor when valuing what neurosurgeon is the best. But the public disagreed. Would you say the public is right? If so, good luck with that.
Positional responsibilities for each player, reffing, accompanying roster, competition all varies for the all time greats. One thing that doesn't. Whether it's 60s players like West and Chamberlain or 2010s players like Bron. They all agree. It's about the rings.
I trust the greats more than the people on ranker who more often than not root for a team that hasn't even won 2 chips EVER (as an organization). |
If ring count actually mattered in splitting the difference between Kobe and Lebron, why are there 50+ pages, almost none of which is doing the non-complicated math of comparing the difference in ring counts?
What I am trying to tell you is that ring counts don’t matter when comparing basketball player skills. It only counts towards comparing accomplishments. |
If we’re talking basketball skills then Kobe wins by a landslide |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | You can't defend a ring chaser like Bron and say chips don't matter. If they didn't matter, he wouldn't be a ring chaser to begin with. |
“The Logic is Strong with this one” |
That sounds like logic to you? That is emotion, not logic. Lol.
Don’t need to look at ring count to know Lebron is better than Dillon Brooks. Do you? |
And what was illogical about the statement?? |
The motivation of a player like to chase rings only means whatever it means to that player.
In other words, that Lebron loves rings isn’t why rings should or shouldn’t “matter”. Ricky Davis loved chasing stats. That doesn’t mean stats should “matter”. Sprewell loved money. Does contract size = skill? What a player wants for themselves, logically, is irrelevant. |
Not sure about that. Especially when all the greats talk about rings as the #1 goal |
I would agree it is the #1 goal. So tell me what relevance having that goal is, to a discussion on who has more actual skill.
Chris Boucher has 2x rings. Giannis has zero. Who cares what their goals are, or what their ring count is.
Can you tell me who is better at basketball or no? |
Personally, I don't rank players based on "who is better at basketball."
I rank them mostly based on their basketball accomplishments.
Rings are one of those accomplishments.
However, all rings aren't created equal. I factor in whether the player in question was the #1 guy on the ring team or the #3 guy or the #10 guy. That's my way of factoring in team accomplishments when ranking players individually; your way might be different.
That said, I have no mathematical formula. I can't give you the relatively weight of all the stuff I consider. There can be differences in how I rank guys on different days. There is as much art to this for me as there is science. |
I think accomplishments are a fine way to compare players.
I don’t think a person needs a mathematical formula. But I do think they need to explain what “better” means. Or I’d take X over Y. That can be arbitrary “better is whoever makes me giggle with glee” or it can be statistical.
Just saying Lebron>Kobe is fruitless without context because he’s certainly not better at playing power forward, for instance. |
By and large, people do that. They say I choose Lebron over Kobe because of stats, rings, style of play, whatever.
If you're saying people need some explanation of what "better" means that can be applied equally to any players, most people don't have an explanation like that.
Not exactly sure what you're looking for. Why don't you give your personal definition of what "better" means as an example. |
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Btw on a NBA Forum where the majority of people there hate Kobe and label him as a overachieving chucker, Had a vote for top 100 players all time. Even with The guy incharge of the voting trying discredit Kobe and trying to find ways to reduce the Votes for Kobe (Ending the voting cut off time once kobe starts to lose in votes While for Lebron he Left it open longer when he was losing in votes). Kobe Still ended up top 11. The Forum also has many Lebron Homers with many of them having the argument that he himself beat the 73 win team
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Lebron James
4. Bill Russell
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8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
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Dude, the American media is paid to brainwash us. The media hasn't been free of payouts by big corporations since the days of Walter Cronkite. If you believe everything they say then you're nothing more than a pawn. What do former players have to say about Kobe vs. lebron??? Those are the guys you need to be listening to, not the media. Take Shannon Sharpe for instance...I like the guy, I think he's very funny, but the infatuation and biased reporting he has for lebron can't possibly be taken seriously. Nobody, I mean nobody in the media has ever had that type of twisted and quite honestly slightly disturbing love affair with Kobe. I know men that don't take up for their wives that defiantly. This goes back to the time when Nike destroyed the tape of lebron getting dunked on by a kid. So what, he got dunked on, everybody does at some point in basketball...but from day 1 there's been a concerted effort to portray lebron as the next best thing to sliced bread, and you have to have the ability to read between the lines to see that it's mostly hype and propaganda.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | also just as a sidenote to this thread it's a real shame these guys never matched up with eachother in the finals
not that it would really add to this debate much if they had but still |
also lebron's fault. why? not good enough to beat dwight in the a series. the same dwight and same year that kobe killed them. lol. just another example. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | also just as a sidenote to this thread it's a real shame these guys never matched up with eachother in the finals
not that it would really add to this debate much if they had but still |
also lebron's fault. why? not good enough to beat dwight in the a series. the same dwight and same year that kobe killed them. lol. just another example. |
Cleveland had the best record in the league that season.
If he’s Goat level he needs to best that Orlando team. Period |
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| LaLaLakeShow wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | also just as a sidenote to this thread it's a real shame these guys never matched up with eachother in the finals
not that it would really add to this debate much if they had but still |
also lebron's fault. why? not good enough to beat dwight in the a series. the same dwight and same year that kobe killed them. lol. just another example. |
Cleveland had the best record in the league that season.
If he’s Goat level he needs to best that Orlando team. Period |
rashard lewis screwed him over. lol
that was supposed to be the year kobe vs lbj. |
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