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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:03 pm    Post subject: RAPTORS -at- LAKERS- 11/10 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Streak Snapped... This game was the meeting of two styles -- a good, fast offense versus a good, clamp down halfcourt defense.

The Raptors have put up 115 points per game, which is 7th in the NBA. They Lakers have held teams to 98.5 points per game, which is 3rd in the NBA. What would give tonight?

With both Lowry and Ibaka out for the Raptors, the Lakers were given an advantage. But an injured dog can be a vicious one, and the defending champ Raptors know what they want to do on offense.

The Lakers led by as many as 11 points in the first half, but the pace was in the Raptors favor. The Lakers struggled to slow them down. With the score tied heading into the fourth, the Raptors attacked aggressively. They got to the offensive glass, got out in transition and the Lakers were on their heels.

A couple plays in the fourth hurt. LeBron missed a layup, got it back and was blocked, which the Raptors turned into a score in transition the other way. Kuzma was “blocked” (fouled) on a layup in transition, and the Raptors turned that into a three in transition. That’s a 4-point and 5-point switch right there.

Had those gone the Lakers way, it might have been a different outcome. Kuzma would sink back-to-back threes, LeBron got FTs and the Lakers trailed by 4 with 2:26 left.They would have been tied or had the lead if they got those two buckets.

The Lakers would get burned again in transition right after that as Toronto changed ends quickly off missed Laker threes and finished easily at the rim. Unable to keep up with that pace, the Lakers got outscored by 17 points in the second half.

“They’re the fastest team in the league,” Vogel said. The Lakers were outscored 32-8 on the break.

The Lakers fell 113-104. Even injured, the Raptors are a good team.


LeBron -- -- Triple double pass in the first half with 9 points, 6 boards and 9 assists. When his shot is falling, LeBron can pretty much do whatever he wants on the court whenever he wants. When it’s not falling, you see that hesitation to shoot, you see him force the action a bit more. The shot wasn’t there tonight, even from the line where he went 3-6. That kind of forced him to attack that Raptor length. He missed an uncontested layup in the fourth, then got blocked on the second attempt. The Raptors turned that into a score on the other end. The Raptor length was a bit problematic for him at times. He managed to get the triple-double but the shooting was inefficient. If we weren’t getting stops, we needed to keep pace with the Raptor scoring and LBJ could not tonight. Nice to see some shooters around him draining shots. He can pick teams apart with the pass when he’s got that. The Stats: He scored 13 points on 5-15 shooting (0-2 from three, 3-6 from the line) to go with 13 boards, 15 assists, 1 block, 2 turnovers and no fouls in 35 minutes. He was a -6.

Davis -- -- He was drawing instant doubles on the touch early on. He would end up with 5 turnovers tonight, some of that was dealing with the double teams, some just sloppy play like fumbling dribbles away while trying to create, travels or bad ideas on passes. The Raptors were changing ends faster than we were all night. That allowed them to not have to deal with AD and our halfcourt D. AD still had 4 blocks, but we needed to slow the pace more and could not. AD hurt his shoulder a couple of times this game, once early on on the glass, later on a shotblock. Hope that’s not a recurring thing. He had the perimeter shot working a bit, sinking a couple of threes and some midrange jumpers. Prior to this game, that stats this season showed he’s had his worst field goal percentage of his career at 48.1% (last year was 51.7%, his best was 53.5%). He was at that 50% mark tonight. It seems like his perimeter game is becoming more comfortable lately. The Stats: He scored 27 points on 10-20 shooting (2-5 from three, 5-6 from the line) to go with 8 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals, 4 blocks, 5 turnovers and 3 fouls in 38 minutes. He was a -6.

Green -- -- Up against his former championship squad -- a team without both Green and Kawhi, but also Lowry and Ibaka tonight. That’s a pretty good chunk of that championship core. But it didn’t matter. Green gave the team nothing offensively, he missed every shot he took, including all four of his three attempts. He had some good hands defensively on a couple plays, but they needed just a little scoring from him tonight. It wasn’t there and he played a lot of minutes. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-5 shooting (0-4 from three) to go with 3 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 bock, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 27 minutes. He was a -3.

Bradley -- -- Had the Lakers first 7 points tonight (a three, a layup off a handoff and a pull-up from midrange in transition). That helped the Lakers get off to a good start. He couldn’t keep it up. The Lakers have a handful of plays. One they milked tonight that we’ve seen quite a bit is a horns set where Bradley comes off the screens, takes a handoff to his right and is now getting into a two-on-one situation with the opponent’s bigs. He turned that into a couple lob finishes for his bigs and another And-1 off a shovel pass. Love seeing situations where our role players can make impact plays. The Stats: He scored 9 points on 4-10 shooting (1-4 from three) to go with 4 boards (3 offensive), 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover and 4 fouls in 31 minutes. He was a +5.

McGee -- -- In the last game, we saw Vogel stretch out the second-half stint for McGee. That unit was playing good, so was he. Probably his best game of the year. Now, could he repeat it? Where we usually see the activity is on the offensive glass when he’s having his good game. The Raptors pull down the second most defensive boards in the league, but are middle of the pack on defensive rebound percentage. McGee had a nice putback on his own missed floater. He had some finished around the rim to get to double digits. Some miscues later in his stint in the second half, whether he was tired or not hard to say, but he had his hands down on a shooter on the perimeter to give up a three. He also gambled for a steal, missed and that led to a three. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 5-11 shooting to go with 4 boards, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 14 minutes. He was a +3.

Kuzma -- -- Defensively, he had to deal with lengthier Raptors. Siakam was hunting that matchup. We tried to put him on Gasol, but they would get switches. He’s played pretty strong defensively since he’s returned, tonight was a tough one for him. Offensively, he sank three threes and was helping the Lakers make a fourth-quarter run. He looked more comfortable with the shot. While Kuzma played horrible last game, it seemed like some of that was issues dealing with the zone. That mucked things up. It took him out of the few set plays (like that stagger screen) series that they use for him. Of all the guys on the team, I think he and KCP struggle the most in the halfcourt when they aren’t in familiar territory. Both tend to have dodgy shot selection and can be a little more turnover prone than you want to see. Once they’ve had reps in certain sets, they know their options...what’s a good look, what’s forced, what are the counters. He at least looked comfortable tonight, no turnovers. “He’s still finding his way. Offensively, within our system where his shots are going to come and playing the game the right way, being assertive but not too assertive,” Vogel said. The Stats: He scored 15 points on 6-13 shooting (3-7 from three) to go with 5 boards and 3 fouls in 24 minutes. He was a -12.

Howard -- -- He and Bradley had that horns sequence working nicely. That resulted in a couple buckets for Dwight. The pace didn’t allow us to bang and be as physical as we wanted. Getting teams into those halfcourt grinds are what helps him shine. Nice seeing him support the G-League team yesterday and hopping on the mic. He’s in a good place. We haven’t had any adversity where it might stress a team and relationships, but it just seems pretty remote at the moment that we will see that. The Stats: He scored 9 points on 3-3 shooting (3-5 from the line) to go with 6 boards and 3 fouls in 17 minutes. He was a -4.

Caldwell-Pope -- -- The last game was a bit of trainwreck. Coming into this one, I was curious to see if Vogel would work some sets to get easier shots for both KCP and Kuzma to see if that would help them get on track. Instead, Vogel gave him the quick hook. Just 4 minutes after KCP missed a couple of shots. The team was awful while he was out there, a -10 in just those few minutes. Last game, Daniels played that zone better. He did again tonight, so Vogel just left KCP behind in this one and went with Daniels after that bad stretch of Laker ball. The Stats: He didn’t score on 0-2 shooting (0-1 form three) to go with 1 board and no fouls in 4 minutes. He was a -10.

Caruso -- -- Nice sequence early on where the ball moved cross court to him and he quickly on the catch fired to Dwight under the hoop for a layup. Looked like he was going to get a clear-path foul in that second half, but that was erased by the refs. We seemed to get nickel and dimed like that a bit in this one. Not a whole lot of action from Caruso to report on tonight. Defensively, we seemed to switch a bit more than usual and that sometimes left smaller guys like Caruso on bigger players. The Raptors were able to collapse the D some in those situations. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-3 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 4 assists, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 17 minutes. He was a -4.

Daniels -- -- With the Raptors running zone, we went to Daniels early. He answered the call, scoring 11 points to lead the Lakers, making 3-4 of his threes (the only one he missed he forced to throw it up as the clock was about to expire). Hopefully, his three shooting and the rest of the team’s comes around. We need it. Lakers were able to put up 60 in the first half with that. He didn’t score in the second half and Toronto didn’t zone up like they did early on. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 4-7 shooting (3-5 from three) to go with 4 boards, 1 block and 1 foul in 17 minutes. He was a -2.

Cook -- -- He got a crazy drive to fall in the first half, throwing it up with his left, it rolled across the top of the backboard, fell down, hit the rim and went in. About as lucky as you can get. Some nice work after that getting a drive and dish to AD for a score and also coming off an AD screen for a midrange. He also sank a three in transition. That’s more like a prototypical game from him. He had one sequence where he rejected a screen and threw it away under the pressure. Seemed obvious he needed to use the screens, so not sure what he was thinking there. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 3-5 shooting (1-1 from three) to go with 1 board, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 12 minutes. He was a -5.

Dudley -- -- In briefly to start the second quarter. Nothing to report. The Stats: No stats. He was a -1 in 2 minutes.

Vogel -- -- A 14-5 Laker lead midway through the quarter. They were imposing their D on them early on, but that was short lived for this game… Up 8 when Kuzma came in for McGee who had three fouls in 7 minutes… Up 9 when we went with AD, Kuzma,Green, KCP, Cook… Caruso in for Green, Lakers up just 3… Lakers couldn’t secure a FT rebound and gave up a 4-point possession to end the quarter… They led 30-29 after the first… He went with a Howard, Dudley, LeBron, Daniels, Caruso lineup to start the second quarter… The pace of this game is definitely in the Raptors favor. Lots of possessions, up and down… The Lakers went up 7 as Daniels hit a series of threes… Lakers up 6 when we went with a Howard, AD, Daniels, Bradley, Cook lineup… LeBron in for Daniels with 2:19 left, Lakers up 8… The Lakers led 60-52. The Lakers shot 57%, Raptors 46%. Lakers held Siakam to 8 points on 3-13 shooting in the first half. The Lakers had 18 assists with 8 turnovers in the first half. They made 5-12 from three. Pace isn’t good for the Lakers, though… Lakers up 3 when McGee sat for Kuzma with about 4:30 left… AD, Kuzma, Daniels, Cook, Bradlely lineup, score tied… Caruso in with score tied at 1:25 left… Lakers getting nickeled and dimed by the refs on FTs on the reviews. I don’t think any went their way tonight… The Lakers were tied 78-78 heading into the fourth… We rolled out a Howard, Kuzma, LeBron, Daniels, Caruso lineup… A12-3 Raptors run and the Lakers were in trouble… Kuzma getting picked on defensively by Siakam. Down 10, we brought in AD and Green for Kuzma and Daniels, trying get our trio of AD, LBJ and Howard to shut the offense down… AD, Kuzma, Green, Caruso, Bradley lineup down 9… LBJ in for CAruso… An 8-0 Laker run… Raptors killing the Lakers in transition, though. Any miscue or miss and it was a track meet and the Lakers couldn’t keep up...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:23 pm    Post subject:

Good summary DB. Hopefully the Lakers can handle the Suns better, who are on a bit of a roll themselves.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:16 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:10 am    Post subject:

Team numbers for the game

Offense
Lakers scored 104 points
Lakers shot 41-94 from the field (43.6%)
Lakers shot 10-30 from 3 pointers (33%)
Lakers grabbed 13 offensive rebounds
Lakers had 31 assists to 12 Turnovers

Defense
Lakers allowed 113 points
Lakers allowed 43-89 shooting from the Raptors (48.3%)
Lakers conceded 12-36 from the 3 from the Raptors (33%)
Lakers allowed 22 FTs for the Raptors
Lakers forced 13 TOs
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:20 am    Post subject:

The difference in this game was simple.

Kyle Kuzma's defense changed the game for the Raptors.

AD was shutting down Siakam.
AD was 2/13 with a Defensive FG% of 15.4. He is the DPOTY right now.
However when we shifted AD to the 5, Kuzma was forced to defend one of the Raptors forwards, and everyone was having a field day. Kuzma's "defense" was 10/12 for the Raptors, with a defensive FG% 83.3 I kid you not, folks. Kumza allowed the Raptors to shoot 10/12 on him. The one play that stood out to me, was when a Raptor player was right under the basket and Kuzma stepped out of the way to avoid the contest. He avoided contesting,

I rarely if ever put games on one player.
When KCP had a poor start, again. Frank yanked him for the game. Good call. As much as I dislike KCP's offense, he at least plays and attempts contested defensive coverage. Kuzma's defense was really bad in this one. It stood out.

Once the Raptors saw the weak link in Kuzma, their players got confidence. Boucher and Pascal. They all got really physical and knew they had a weak link. Our D was broken down.

Certainly I think there was a lack of focus and physicality from our team in this one, it looked like a little bit of a team that was on a 7 game streak and needed to lose one to re-group. Even Lebron had a really off game, in terms of scoring the ball. Too passive, from Lebron. Waited to too long to attack the defense as a scorer. Maybe when Rondo comes back we will see less of that.

However I can not really overlook Kuzma's DFG% and what I saw with my eyes on this one. Really a game changer. Kuzma's supposed to come in and help us gain momentum. Instead he is doing the opposite. It's been enough games. Frank gave this game up due to allowing Kuzma to get minutes he hasn't really earned IMO. I understand we need Kuzma to develop as he is our lone young asset remaining, with upside. However at some point a spade is a spade. LA needs a player that will defend the 4 and 3 when Lebron is resting or when AD slides to 5. If Kuzma can not be this player, we need to sit him.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:31 am    Post subject:

I'm going to launch one concern/complaint to Vogel. I do not like that he is limiting the minutes of Dwight, AD and Lebron together. Those 3 together are lethal, especially with some quality shooters.

The way the rotation has been since Kuzma has returned, we are not seeing those 3 play enough. We need our 3 most impact players to be on the court together at the same time.

It could be what the FO wants, or a longterm view on having Kuzma develop. However defensively, there isn't a better team than when we have Dwight at C, AD at 4 and Lebron at 3. Whenever we went to Kuzma at 4, Kuzma was getting eaten alive. We need to have significant time where Dwight, AD and Lebron play in both halves.

Since Kuzma has come back, we are seeing those 3 in the same lineup less and less. I am not sure it makes sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:46 am    Post subject:

Vogel got too cute with the rotation, IMHO.

There was absolutely no excuse to let Kuzma in the game for that long. Dude was a total liability on both sides of the floor.
The Raptors loved to attack Kuzma. He got cooked by Siakam and Bouchet time and time again.

Should've given his minutes to Howard, McGee or even Dudley.

Our offense is still very clumsy. When we can't impose our style by making defensive stops, our offense is not good enough to win games.

Despite him getting his points, I don't think that we are playing AD to his strength on offense.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:49 am    Post subject:

Also several WTF moments last night: not milking the clock to end the 1st quarter (IIRC) and giving up 5 points.

While down 4, trying to shoot 3 pointers and not trying to attack the paint. Gave the Raptors 2 fastbreaks and lost us the game.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:06 am    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Also several WTF moments last night: not milking the clock to end the 1st quarter (IIRC) and giving up 5 points.

While down 4, trying to shoot 3 pointers and not trying to attack the paint. Gave the Raptors 2 fastbreaks and lost us the game.

Focus wasn't there yesterday.
Both defensively and on offense.

When they saw the team was an express train, taking 3 pointers and unable to get back on D, not smart.

When they saw Kuzma was getting eaten alive, they should have subbed in a better defender.

Lebron played a passive game, and when he finally attacked, he was being met by 2-3 defenders in the paint. The Raptors were locked in.

Over the course of a 82 game season, these things happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
The difference in this game was simple.

Kyle Kuzma's defense changed the game for the Raptors.

AD was shutting down Siakam.
AD was 2/13 with a Defensive FG% of 15.4. He is the DPOTY right now.
However when we shifted AD to the 5, Kuzma was forced to defend one of the Raptors forwards, and everyone was having a field day. Kuzma's "defense" was 10/12 for the Raptors, with a defensive FG% 83.3 I kid you not, folks. Kumza allowed the Raptors to shoot 10/12 on him. The one play that stood out to me, was when a Raptor player was right under the basket and Kuzma stepped out of the way to avoid the contest. He avoided contesting,

I rarely if ever put games on one player.
When KCP had a poor start, again. Frank yanked him for the game. Good call. As much as I dislike KCP's offense, he at least plays and attempts contested defensive coverage. Kuzma's defense was really bad in this one. It stood out.

Once the Raptors saw the weak link in Kuzma, their players got confidence. Boucher and Pascal. They all got really physical and knew they had a weak link. Our D was broken down.

Certainly I think there was a lack of focus and physicality from our team in this one, it looked like a little bit of a team that was on a 7 game streak and needed to lose one to re-group. Even Lebron had a really off game, in terms of scoring the ball. Too passive, from Lebron. Waited to too long to attack the defense as a scorer. Maybe when Rondo comes back we will see less of that.

However I can not really overlook Kuzma's DFG% and what I saw with my eyes on this one. Really a game changer. Kuzma's supposed to come in and help us gain momentum. Instead he is doing the opposite. It's been enough games. Frank gave this game up due to allowing Kuzma to get minutes he hasn't really earned IMO. I understand we need Kuzma to develop as he is our lone young asset remaining, with upside. However at some point a spade is a spade. LA needs a player that will defend the 4 and 3 when Lebron is resting or when AD slides to 5. If Kuzma can not be this player, we need to sit him.


Ouch. Nice insight and I really hope things improve with kuz. It’s early so am not going to pass any perma-judgments yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:29 am    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
The difference in this game was simple.

Kyle Kuzma's defense changed the game for the Raptors.


I thought the exact same thing. The game turned twice, both times with Kuz.

Initial check in, raptors immediately hunt Siakam/Kuz switch.

In the 4th, I think he was the closest one to position of boxing out Davis, just stands there watching and Davis gets a thunderous put back dunk...that’s all she wrote.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:54 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject:

Another thing I think perhaps Vogel should have saved his coaches challenge. Why challenge the meaningless charge versus block foul call on green in the 3rd quarter.

Could have used the challenge on Kuzma foul at the basket late in the fourth.

Than again hard to say if that would have changed the call. Is it just me or is the coaches challenge thing seem like crap. Lebron was clearly fouled on the challenge the raptors made. And I saw 2 or 3 clear foul calls that should have be turned in other games. I don’t think other sports get it wrong on replay this often!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:22 am    Post subject:

At first i thought this was a trap game. After watching the game I changed my mind.

Toronto is the reigning defending NBA Champions. Yes, Kawhi was key to their winning the Larry O'Brien but he didn't do it by himself. Siakam, Boucher, VanVleet (especially VanVleet) and crew had something to do with it.

This team is better than they're given credit for being. They took away our low post game, packed the paint, got block after block. They're 7-2. They lost to 2 good teams, Boston and Milwaukee.

It's a game I think we could have won with better match ups.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:29 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
At first i thought this was a trap game. After watching the game I changed my mind.

Toronto is the reigning defending NBA Champions. Yes, Kawhi was key to their winning the Larry O'Brien but he didn't do it by himself. Siakam, Boucher, VanVleet (especially VanVleet) and crew had something to do with it.

This team is better than they're given credit for being. They took away our low post game, packed the paint, got block after block. They're 7-2. They lost to 2 good teams, Boston and Milwaukee.

It's a game I think we could have won with better match ups.


Meh, Boucher played a total of 4 minutes during last year's title run. Yeah, they're the defending champs, but minus Kawhi, Lowry and Ibaka. I think they shoul've won this one. And it looked like they were under way until the start of the 4th when it all just fell apart. Oh well, onto the next one.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject:

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At first i thought this was a trap game. After watching the game I changed my mind.

Toronto is the reigning defending NBA Champions. Yes, Kawhi was key to their winning the Larry O'Brien but he didn't do it by himself. Siakam, Boucher, VanVleet (especially VanVleet) and crew had something to do with it.

This team is better than they're given credit for being. They took away our low post game, packed the paint, got block after block. They're 7-2. They lost to 2 good teams, Boston and Milwaukee.

It's a game I think we could have won with better match ups.


Meh, Boucher played a total of 4 minutes during last year's title run. Yeah, they're the defending champs, but minus Kawhi, Lowry and Ibaka. I think they shoul've won this one. And it looked like they were under way until the start of the 4th when it all just fell apart. Oh well, onto the next one.

Go Lakers!


My main point was the bold green.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:56 pm    Post subject:

danzag wrote:
Also several WTF moments last night: not milking the clock to end the 1st quarter (IIRC) and giving up 5 points.

While down 4, trying to shoot 3 pointers and not trying to attack the paint. Gave the Raptors 2 fastbreaks and lost us the game.


Those last three pointers while down 4 were good open shots. And it least one of them went in and out. Just got unlucky on those.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject:

OK, I'm gonna play arm chair coach. IMO Vogel should have kept AD on Siakam. IIRC he had him shut down. When he put him at 5 that put Kuz on Siakam and he got owned. I think Vogel is doing a great job as coach to date. In this case I think he erred. Also he should have gone more mid range, we got killed on the blocks. Live by the 3 die by the 3. JMHO.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:43 pm    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
OK, I'm gonna play arm chair coach. IMO Vogel should have kept AD on Siakam. IIRC he had him shut down. When he put him at 5 that put Kuz on Siakam and he got owned. I think Vogel is doing a great job as coach to date. In this case I think he erred. JMHO.


I think the raptors were going to find that matchup regardless. Earlier in the game, they still had AD on Siakam but the Raptors forced the switch and then Pascal went to work. Whenever Kuzma was on the court, they made it a point to get that matchup.

I believe there was a stretch where Lebron was guarding Gasol and a brief minute or two where Kuzma was on Gasol.

Credit Nurse, his adjustment was to get the switch on Siakam when it was clear AD was shutting him down. Couple that with Van Vleet playmaking and Toronto’s ability to shoot, they closed it out.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:47 pm    Post subject:

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The difference in this game was simple.

Kyle Kuzma's defense changed the game for the Raptors.

AD was shutting down Siakam.
AD was 2/13 with a Defensive FG% of 15.4. He is the DPOTY right now.
However when we shifted AD to the 5, Kuzma was forced to defend one of the Raptors forwards, and everyone was having a field day. Kuzma's "defense" was 10/12 for the Raptors, with a defensive FG% 83.3 I kid you not, folks. Kumza allowed the Raptors to shoot 10/12 on him. The one play that stood out to me, was when a Raptor player was right under the basket and Kuzma stepped out of the way to avoid the contest. He avoided contesting,

I rarely if ever put games on one player.
When KCP had a poor start, again. Frank yanked him for the game. Good call. As much as I dislike KCP's offense, he at least plays and attempts contested defensive coverage. Kuzma's defense was really bad in this one. It stood out.

Once the Raptors saw the weak link in Kuzma, their players got confidence. Boucher and Pascal. They all got really physical and knew they had a weak link. Our D was broken down.

Certainly I think there was a lack of focus and physicality from our team in this one, it looked like a little bit of a team that was on a 7 game streak and needed to lose one to re-group. Even Lebron had a really off game, in terms of scoring the ball. Too passive, from Lebron. Waited to too long to attack the defense as a scorer. Maybe when Rondo comes back we will see less of that.

However I can not really overlook Kuzma's DFG% and what I saw with my eyes on this one. Really a game changer. Kuzma's supposed to come in and help us gain momentum. Instead he is doing the opposite. It's been enough games. Frank gave this game up due to allowing Kuzma to get minutes he hasn't really earned IMO. I understand we need Kuzma to develop as he is our lone young asset remaining, with upside. However at some point a spade is a spade. LA needs a player that will defend the 4 and 3 when Lebron is resting or when AD slides to 5. If Kuzma can not be this player, we need to sit him.


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Only 2 turnovers for LeBron. Is it just me, or is his average turnover rate way down when compared to last year?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:17 pm    Post subject:

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jodeke wrote:
OK, I'm gonna play arm chair coach. IMO Vogel should have kept AD on Siakam. IIRC he had him shut down. When he put him at 5 that put Kuz on Siakam and he got owned. I think Vogel is doing a great job as coach to date. In this case I think he erred. JMHO.


I think the raptors were going to find that matchup regardless. Earlier in the game, they still had AD on Siakam but the Raptors forced the switch and then Pascal went to work. Whenever Kuzma was on the court, they made it a point to get that matchup.

I believe there was a stretch where Lebron was guarding Gasol and a brief minute or two where Kuzma was on Gasol.

Credit Nurse, his adjustment was to get the switch on Siakam when it was clear AD was shutting him down. Couple that with Van Vleet playmaking and Toronto’s ability to shoot, they closed it out.

I think Vogel is doing a good job. I don't want to criticize him but in this game I think he got out coached. Church is good at his job. Without Kwahi I think he'll make the playoffs. Might even get out of the first round.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:17 pm    Post subject:

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I'm going to launch one concern/complaint to Vogel. I do not like that he is limiting the minutes of Dwight, AD and Lebron together. Those 3 together are lethal, especially with some quality shooters.

The way the rotation has been since Kuzma has returned, we are not seeing those 3 play enough. We need our 3 most impact players to be on the court together at the same time.

It could be what the FO wants, or a longterm view on having Kuzma develop. However defensively, there isn't a better team than when we have Dwight at C, AD at 4 and Lebron at 3. Whenever we went to Kuzma at 4, Kuzma was getting eaten alive. We need to have significant time where Dwight, AD and Lebron play in both halves.

Since Kuzma has come back, we are seeing those 3 in the same lineup less and less. I am not sure it makes sense.


Yep. I’ve been paying close attention to how much those three have played together for the last several games. It’s why I’m harping on giving Dwight more minutes doesn’t have to be too many more but I really want to see those three out there for more than a few minutes max per game.
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