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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Just like AD and Kawhi gave up supermax extensions to be traded.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
People assign different values in life. Not everything is monetary, b/c if that was the case, the CBA is built for players to stay on their teams, get a 5 year max deal with higher raises.
Maybe AD has other priorities in life and 4m isn't at the top of his list.
I took a paycut to join my current job so I can have a better work/life balance and less stress. Wasn't only about the $$$ for me.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Asking to be traded and thus losing an undoubtful super-max rights is not dumb (losing much more than $4mln) but waiving a trade kicker is 
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Depends, if it's $4mil to save owner from paying more lux tax... you can argue that it's dumb on the player but if it's $4mil that will increase your chance to win a championship, that's not dumb, it's whatever priority you have in life. At the end, it's still your choice |
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| governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Depends, if it's $4mil to save owner from paying more lux tax... you can argue that it's dumb on the player but if it's $4mil that will increase your chance to win a championship, that's not dumb, it's whatever priority you have in life. At the end, it's still your choice |
Trade kickers IMO are negotiated to make it punitive for a team to trade a player against his wishes by adding a 4m financial incentive not to. 4m represents a 15% bump to his 27m contract, so if he was being traded AGAINST his will to say the Celtics, I can see AD asking for his 4m in $100 bills. 
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| governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Depends, if it's $4mil to save owner from paying more lux tax... you can argue that it's dumb on the player but if it's $4mil that will increase your chance to win a championship, that's not dumb, it's whatever priority you have in life. At the end, it's still your choice |
I believe in the Kobe philosophy, players play and the FO runs the team. That has been a very successful plan.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Depends, if it's $4mil to save owner from paying more lux tax... you can argue that it's dumb on the player but if it's $4mil that will increase your chance to win a championship, that's not dumb, it's whatever priority you have in life. At the end, it's still your choice |
I believe in the Kobe philosophy, players play and the FO runs the team. That has been a very successful plan. |
You like Kobe's pivot moves too huh |
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Who is feeding WOJ this info? |
Steve Balmer. There is a rumor Balmer is paying to portray Lakers negatively. Not surprise if it’s true, so many negative articles on Lakers and positive articles on the Clips |
Free agent decisions are vastly different than trades. I am not a fan of sports reporter reporting agent decisions like there are steps and obstacles like it was a trade. What does it even mean that the Raptors are closing the gap but the Clippers are ahead? It's so vague and meaningless. Sounds a lot like something you would say if you are just spouting your opinion in the form of what you know best, the reporting of a trade.
KL knows where he's going. I believe most players know before they head into the off season. How and when they would reveal it is what probably changes often, not whether they would one day choose LA or Toronto. Those are life impacting decisions that you don't make on a whim and flip flop back and forth. So don't believe this narrative that it's some type of horse race. |
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| methdxman wrote: | | Sssmush wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | What about Kawhi taking a haircut for a year?
He's slated to make $21.3 if he doesn't opt out.
Let's say he signs in LA for a 1+1 $27.5 or whatever we have if AD waives his trade kicker. He then opts out, does another 1+1, then gets his full Supermax in 21-22.
He loses roughly $8 million over 2 years . . . we can make that up on the back end by giving him a retirement tour deal. |
Teams can't make any promises of future compensation like that. And even if Kawhi signs here, there's no guarantee he'll be with the team by the end of his career or that we'll give him some money he wouldn't have otherwise earned.
My guess is there would also be an ego thing going on. Kawhi wouldn't make to sacrifice money while Lebron and AD are earning the most they can. |
arrrrggghhhhh I can't believe I am having to explain this. 100 people have been on the radio analyzing this for 3 days and no one has been able to just state it plainly (although stephen A came close at one point this morning):
1. AD will waive his trade kicker. (why wouldn't he? He wanted desperately to get to the Lakers and the trade kicker is like a mini no-trade clause)
2. That gets them to around $27.5M
3. we trade Wagner and Bonga for a couple 2nd round picks or whatever they're worth.
4. Now we are above $30M.
So then now it's entirely reasonable for Kawahi at $30M. That's $3M more than Davis, and we can reextend him for the max in two years.
*boom* done.
And we got a couple 2nd round picks and we buy a couple more, looking for seasoned euro shooters or 4 year mature athletic guards or defensive centers.
We ball out at summer league --- people want to be here they see a chance to make the team. We bring in JR Smith on a minimum deal, Ray Allen maybe also, possibly Carmelo minimum deal. Starting to get the picture? And in any case we already got a starting 3 of Lebron, Kuzma and AD.
**** Griffin. Who even needs or wants to delay this trade or anything else till July 30th? They're willing to give us AD basically for sorry *** Lonzo, + Ingram and a few late 1st round picks. The difference in the swap years ten slots at best. New Josh Hart we could find in summer league or g league.
Pelinka is getting it done. He's smart enough to get on team Lebron and so is Kobe. This is the new Laker empire. |
Would you give up 4 million per year? Would your agent give up 4 million per year? If you answer yes to any of these questions, then you don't know what it's like to make money. 4 million bucks is 4 million bucks to just about everyone. 4 million bucks isn't just "chump" change to Jeff Bezos either. It's a lot of (bleep) money to even the super wealthy. He's not gonna just "lightly" give away something that he's entitled to. Rich Paul could easily tell Rob, look, get the guy coming in to take less and give him promises of future stuff. Why doesn't Kawhi just take the paycut this year? What if Anthony Davis thinks he can win with LBJ and scrubs? Why would he give up 4m bucks? Listen, if you think anyone is giving up 15% of their salary, no matter how much money they make, you're crazy. Very few people give up money. Especially in the NBA it's a rare, rare case. If he does, kudos to him, but it's definitely not an easy decision to just give away 4m GUARANTEED bucks. What if he tears his achilles this offseason, how good do you think he'd feel about giving away those 4m bucks? Only an idiot would waive that. |
I wouldn't give up $4 million but that's someone speaking from a position of having not earned even $1 mil. total in his life time. Money is all relative. $4 mil. to AD is chump change relative to his total earnings and the opportunity cost of winning a championship versus not. If he waives his $4 million to improve his odds of winning a ring, that would do more to increase his net worth in the long term than to not. It's a small gamble on his part. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Ah. The usual negative post. Did you have drinks with Jimmy last night?
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I feel that having to wait 10 more days is unberable
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| dvdrdiscs wrote: | | methdxman wrote: | | Sssmush wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | What about Kawhi taking a haircut for a year?
He's slated to make $21.3 if he doesn't opt out.
Let's say he signs in LA for a 1+1 $27.5 or whatever we have if AD waives his trade kicker. He then opts out, does another 1+1, then gets his full Supermax in 21-22.
He loses roughly $8 million over 2 years . . . we can make that up on the back end by giving him a retirement tour deal. |
Teams can't make any promises of future compensation like that. And even if Kawhi signs here, there's no guarantee he'll be with the team by the end of his career or that we'll give him some money he wouldn't have otherwise earned.
My guess is there would also be an ego thing going on. Kawhi wouldn't make to sacrifice money while Lebron and AD are earning the most they can. |
arrrrggghhhhh I can't believe I am having to explain this. 100 people have been on the radio analyzing this for 3 days and no one has been able to just state it plainly (although stephen A came close at one point this morning):
1. AD will waive his trade kicker. (why wouldn't he? He wanted desperately to get to the Lakers and the trade kicker is like a mini no-trade clause)
2. That gets them to around $27.5M
3. we trade Wagner and Bonga for a couple 2nd round picks or whatever they're worth.
4. Now we are above $30M.
So then now it's entirely reasonable for Kawahi at $30M. That's $3M more than Davis, and we can reextend him for the max in two years.
*boom* done.
And we got a couple 2nd round picks and we buy a couple more, looking for seasoned euro shooters or 4 year mature athletic guards or defensive centers.
We ball out at summer league --- people want to be here they see a chance to make the team. We bring in JR Smith on a minimum deal, Ray Allen maybe also, possibly Carmelo minimum deal. Starting to get the picture? And in any case we already got a starting 3 of Lebron, Kuzma and AD.
**** Griffin. Who even needs or wants to delay this trade or anything else till July 30th? They're willing to give us AD basically for sorry *** Lonzo, + Ingram and a few late 1st round picks. The difference in the swap years ten slots at best. New Josh Hart we could find in summer league or g league.
Pelinka is getting it done. He's smart enough to get on team Lebron and so is Kobe. This is the new Laker empire. |
Would you give up 4 million per year? Would your agent give up 4 million per year? If you answer yes to any of these questions, then you don't know what it's like to make money. 4 million bucks is 4 million bucks to just about everyone. 4 million bucks isn't just "chump" change to Jeff Bezos either. It's a lot of (bleep) money to even the super wealthy. He's not gonna just "lightly" give away something that he's entitled to. Rich Paul could easily tell Rob, look, get the guy coming in to take less and give him promises of future stuff. Why doesn't Kawhi just take the paycut this year? What if Anthony Davis thinks he can win with LBJ and scrubs? Why would he give up 4m bucks? Listen, if you think anyone is giving up 15% of their salary, no matter how much money they make, you're crazy. Very few people give up money. Especially in the NBA it's a rare, rare case. If he does, kudos to him, but it's definitely not an easy decision to just give away 4m GUARANTEED bucks. What if he tears his achilles this offseason, how good do you think he'd feel about giving away those 4m bucks? Only an idiot would waive that. |
I wouldn't give up $4 million but that's someone speaking from a position of having not earned even $1 mil. total in his life time. Money is all relative. $4 mil. to AD is chump change relative to his total earnings and the opportunity cost of winning a championship versus not. If he waives his $4 million to improve his odds of winning a ring, that would do more to increase his net worth in the long term than to not. It's a small gamble on his part. |
After tax & tip, that $4 million is about $1.8 million in his pocket, AKA his jewelry allowance  .
Seriously, it's found money - he wasn't expecting it or budgeted it - so waiving it to help facilitate winning a championship is in his interest (if a ring is one of his goals).
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
It wouldnt be dumb if waiving the kicker was his only pathway to getting, say, Kawhi Leonard as a teammate |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Ah. The usual negative post. Did you have drinks with Jimmy last night? |
why does LG not have an ignore function? |
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| governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Depends, if it's $4mil to save owner from paying more lux tax... you can argue that it's dumb on the player but if it's $4mil that will increase your chance to win a championship, that's not dumb, it's whatever priority you have in life. At the end, it's still your choice |
I believe in the Kobe philosophy, players play and the FO runs the team. That has been a very successful plan. |
You like Kobe's pivot moves too huh |
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Feeling it fam.
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| governator wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
Depends, if it's $4mil to save owner from paying more lux tax... you can argue that it's dumb on the player but if it's $4mil that will increase your chance to win a championship, that's not dumb, it's whatever priority you have in life. At the end, it's still your choice |
That $4M becomes ~$2M in Ontario or Cali with income taxes.
Then factor in the revenue difference between Toronto and LA that New Balance generated (or will generate) for Kawhi from this championship and the balance likely swings heavily to LA.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | What Bol said. Why do people act like it would be shocking if AD waived his kicker? Players do it all the time, especially when teams work with them to get the guy to the team he wants. |
It wouldn’t be shocking, it would just be dumb. |
People assign different values in life. Not everything is monetary, b/c if that was the case, the CBA is built for players to stay on their teams, get a 5 year max deal with higher raises.
Maybe AD has other priorities in life and 4m isn't at the top of his list.
I took a paycut to join my current job so I can have a better work/life balance and less stress. Wasn't only about the $$$ for me. |
mhmm...
| Anthony Davis wrote: | “I want to have a legacy. All my people that look up to me, the younger kids, I want them to know about AD’s legacy. Championships, the things I do in the community, being a good teammate, playing hard. All that stuff matters the most to me. Don’t get me wrong, money is amazing. But I think in that sense, money or legacy, I think my legacy will win that battle every time.”
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I believe in the Kobe philosophy, players play and the FO runs the team. That has been a very successful plan. |
This would be the same Kobe who lobbied to be traded, get guys traded, etc.? Yeah, he definitely stayed in his lane. |
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| RG73 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I believe in the Kobe philosophy, players play and the FO runs the team. That has been a very successful plan. |
This would be the same Kobe who lobbied to be traded, get guys traded, etc.? Yeah, he definitely stayed in his lane. |
wouldn't you if your were rated as the best player and had to play with smush parker, chutky atkins, Kwame brown, and brian cook for 3 years |
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