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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:46 am    Post subject:

The Rockets are a good matchup with GSW... Obviously the Warriors are better but they are one Harden or Paul hot streak from upsetting them.

I also realize that Paul will only continue to decline but they were in a position to win with him playing like a role player. It's not like they were playing them close with CP3 performing well. They played them close with CP3 almost invisible. A lot depends on whether they return Gordon and PJ... whether those two start aging as well.. whether Capela can get his head right and progress... or whether we've seen his playoff ceiling... but I wouldn't write them off just yet.
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A team built off of AD-Zion-Jrue if healthy can win 50 games next year.
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cital wrote:
Car54 wrote:
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Brendon Haywood just said that the Lakers have the best potential package out of Boston NY and Lakers


Haywood expecting the Lakers to trade #4 and ALL of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz?


He said Kuz Bi and the number 4


To make that trade work, along with signing a max free agent, we would have to sign the pick and make the trade after 30 days and also include Hart, Wagner, and Bonga... I would still make that deal though

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I believe they'd have to stretch Bonga's contract to sign a 30% max FA and the pick, which means the Lakers would have to include Ball instead of BI to match salaries in a Beal or AD trade because Ball makes $1.5M more than Ingram next season.
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The Rockets are a good matchup with GSW... Obviously the Warriors are better but they are one Harden or Paul hot streak from upsetting them.

I also realize that Paul will only continue to decline but they were in a position to win with him playing like a role player. It's not like they were playing them close with CP3 performing well. They played them close with CP3 almost invisible. A lot depends on whether they return Gordon and PJ... whether those two start aging as well.. whether Capela can get his head right and progress... or whether we've seen his playoff ceiling... but I wouldn't write them off just yet.


The thing is the Rockets messed up when they tried to get that second star in CP3 like we are trying to do now. If they had Beverley, Lou, Harrell, and kept the picks and Ariza, they would have put up an even better fight.
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A team built off of AD-Zion-Jrue if healthy can win 50 games next year.

It would be dependent on adding more reliable perimeter shooter(s) than Moore and Hill.
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A team built off of AD-Zion-Jrue if healthy can win 50 games next year.

It would be dependent on adding more reliable perimeter shooter(s) than Moore and Hill.


I trust Griffin to build a good team, If he doesn't trade AD, I expect he will add shooters.
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A team built off of AD-Zion-Jrue if healthy can win 50 games next year.

It would be dependent on adding more reliable perimeter shooter(s) than Moore and Hill.


Of course. Any good team will need to surround their best players/playmakers with perimeter shooting. I trust Griffin to do that like he did for Bron in Clev.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:55 am    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
A team built off of AD-Zion-Jrue if healthy can win 50 games next year.


True. But if AD truly is bolting it’s no a good risk worth taking. But yeah the top talent is good.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cital wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Brendon Haywood just said that the Lakers have the best potential package out of Boston NY and Lakers


Haywood expecting the Lakers to trade #4 and ALL of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz?


He said Kuz Bi and the number 4


To make that trade work, along with signing a max free agent, we would have to sign the pick and make the trade after 30 days and also include Hart, Wagner, and Bonga... I would still make that deal though

Ball
Kawhi
LeBron
Davis
Room Exception

I believe they'd have to stretch Bonga's contract to sign a 30% max FA and the pick, which means the Lakers would have to include Ball instead of BI to match salaries in a Beal or AD trade because Ball makes $1.5M more than Ingram next season.


I don't think they would have to stretch Bonga, check out the numbers on the 1st page of this thread. I ran the numbers and everything seems correct on the cap space and trade... The only thing that I think is incorrect on the first page is the cost of the 4th pick, it would actually be just over 7 million I believe, but if the cap comes in at 109 as expected, we would still have the space for a max free agent...
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cital wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cital wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Brendon Haywood just said that the Lakers have the best potential package out of Boston NY and Lakers


Haywood expecting the Lakers to trade #4 and ALL of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz?


He said Kuz Bi and the number 4


To make that trade work, along with signing a max free agent, we would have to sign the pick and make the trade after 30 days and also include Hart, Wagner, and Bonga... I would still make that deal though

Ball
Kawhi
LeBron
Davis
Room Exception

I believe they'd have to stretch Bonga's contract to sign a 30% max FA and the pick, which means the Lakers would have to include Ball instead of BI to match salaries in a Beal or AD trade because Ball makes $1.5M more than Ingram next season.


I don't think they would have to stretch Bonga, check out the numbers on the 1st page of this thread. I ran the numbers and everything seems correct on the cap space and trade...


We don't know the exact salary for the 4 pick yet.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject:

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Sentient Meat wrote:
The Rockets are a good matchup with GSW... Obviously the Warriors are better but they are one Harden or Paul hot streak from upsetting them.

I also realize that Paul will only continue to decline but they were in a position to win with him playing like a role player. It's not like they were playing them close with CP3 performing well. They played them close with CP3 almost invisible. A lot depends on whether they return Gordon and PJ... whether those two start aging as well.. whether Capela can get his head right and progress... or whether we've seen his playoff ceiling... but I wouldn't write them off just yet.


The thing is the Rockets messed up when they tried to get that second star in CP3 like we are trying to do now. If they had Beverley, Lou, Harrell, and kept the picks and Ariza, they would have put up an even better fight.

I partially disagree, but just because Paul only had one last star season in his aging body.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
The Rockets are a good matchup with GSW... Obviously the Warriors are better but they are one Harden or Paul hot streak from upsetting them.

I also realize that Paul will only continue to decline but they were in a position to win with him playing like a role player. It's not like they were playing them close with CP3 performing well. They played them close with CP3 almost invisible. A lot depends on whether they return Gordon and PJ... whether those two start aging as well.. whether Capela can get his head right and progress... or whether we've seen his playoff ceiling... but I wouldn't write them off just yet.


The thing is the Rockets messed up when they tried to get that second star in CP3 like we are trying to do now. If they had Beverley, Lou, Harrell, and kept the picks and Ariza, they would have put up an even better fight.

I partially disagree, but just because Paul only had one last star season in his aging body.


True, maybe they just got the wrong second star, could have held out and got KL this past summer. lol
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LBJ23 wrote:
cital wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cital wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Brendon Haywood just said that the Lakers have the best potential package out of Boston NY and Lakers


Haywood expecting the Lakers to trade #4 and ALL of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz?


He said Kuz Bi and the number 4


To make that trade work, along with signing a max free agent, we would have to sign the pick and make the trade after 30 days and also include Hart, Wagner, and Bonga... I would still make that deal though

Ball
Kawhi
LeBron
Davis
Room Exception

I believe they'd have to stretch Bonga's contract to sign a 30% max FA and the pick, which means the Lakers would have to include Ball instead of BI to match salaries in a Beal or AD trade because Ball makes $1.5M more than Ingram next season.


I don't think they would have to stretch Bonga, check out the numbers on the 1st page of this thread. I ran the numbers and everything seems correct on the cap space and trade...


We don't know the exact salary for the 4 pick yet.


I believe it is just over 7 million, which is a littler higher than what is listed on the first page, but assuming a 109 million cap, we would still be able to sign a max free agent
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:09 am    Post subject:

How much will it take to get the bucks to flinch on Brogdon? They just gave Bledsoe a ton of money and will probably have to max Middleton this year. If we can’t get Kawhi I would rather target Brogdon at 15/20 million than maxing one of the other B level stars. Think he would fit well with Ball and would leave us money to sign a solid center rotation, thinking Gasol on a three year deal or WCS if you prefer a rim runner. Then draft Hunter with the pick and sign Dedmon for the exception and Seth Curry for what’s left. Team would be

Ball/Curry/Caruso
Brogdon/Hart
Ingram/Hunter/vet min
Lebron/Kuzma/Williams
Gasol/Dedmon/Wagner

Don’t know that the team wins a championship but they would be fun and if Ball and Ingram take a step I think they are a contender. We don’t sacrifice any youth and would have $60ish million coming off books in three years when Lebron is done and youth is entering their prime.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:12 am    Post subject:

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How much will it take to get the bucks to flinch on Brogdon? They just gave Bledsoe a ton of money and will probably have to max Middleton this year. If we can’t get Kawhi I would rather target Brogdon at 15/20 million than maxing one of the other B level stars. Think he would fit well with Ball and would leave us money to sign a solid center rotation, thinking Gasol on a three year deal or WCS if you prefer a rim runner. Then draft Hunter with the pick and sign Dedmon for the exception and Seth Curry for what’s left. Team would be

Ball/Curry/Caruso
Brogdon/Hart
Ingram/Hunter/vet min
Lebron/Kuzma/Williams
Gasol/Dedmon/Wagner

Don’t know that the team wins a championship but they would be fun and if Ball and Ingram take a step I think they are a contender. We don’t sacrifice any youth and would have $60ish million coming off books in three years when Lebron is done and youth is entering their prime.


The FO should be fired if they came up with this team next year.
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King Randle wrote:
CCP&G wrote:
How much will it take to get the bucks to flinch on Brogdon? They just gave Bledsoe a ton of money and will probably have to max Middleton this year. If we can’t get Kawhi I would rather target Brogdon at 15/20 million than maxing one of the other B level stars. Think he would fit well with Ball and would leave us money to sign a solid center rotation, thinking Gasol on a three year deal or WCS if you prefer a rim runner. Then draft Hunter with the pick and sign Dedmon for the exception and Seth Curry for what’s left. Team would be

Ball/Curry/Caruso
Brogdon/Hart
Ingram/Hunter/vet min
Lebron/Kuzma/Williams
Gasol/Dedmon/Wagner

Don’t know that the team wins a championship but they would be fun and if Ball and Ingram take a step I think they are a contender. We don’t sacrifice any youth and would have $60ish million coming off books in three years when Lebron is done and youth is entering their prime.


The FO should be fired if they came up with this team next year.


Yeah fired... out of a cannon into trash compactor
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How much will it take to get the bucks to flinch on Brogdon? They just gave Bledsoe a ton of money and will probably have to max Middleton this year. If we can’t get Kawhi I would rather target Brogdon at 15/20 million than maxing one of the other B level stars. Think he would fit well with Ball and would leave us money to sign a solid center rotation, thinking Gasol on a three year deal or WCS if you prefer a rim runner. Then draft Hunter with the pick and sign Dedmon for the exception and Seth Curry for what’s left. Team would be

Ball/Curry/Caruso
Brogdon/Hart
Ingram/Hunter/vet min
Lebron/Kuzma/Williams
Gasol/Dedmon/Wagner

Don’t know that the team wins a championship but they would be fun and if Ball and Ingram take a step I think they are a contender. We don’t sacrifice any youth and would have $60ish million coming off books in three years when Lebron is done and youth is entering their prime.

I think it's a solid Plan C except I'm not that excited about overpaying Brogdon to pry him away from the Bucks.
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject:

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AD + Zion front court is like a dream. I don't blame AD if he decided to stay in Naulins.

hardly. They both basically want to play the same position. There is no way AD is going to sit around and let Zion become NOLA's darling while AD become's his stretch 5.


They play nothing alike.


Yup. AD and Zion is a great front court if I was AD I’d run this season w him and see how it goes. He’s still a FA next yr so it’s a small gamble


What is a 19 rookie gonna do for him that KD and Lebron can’t?


Play defense, rebound, run the floor hard, block shots, guard centers. Can help AD out a lot.


KD does all of those things so again I ask what can he do?
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject:

If I'm the Pelicans ownership and front office I don't think AD – who was just trying to force his way out of town – is the kind of guy I want around my impressionable young rookie franchise cornerstone.
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If I'm the Pelicans ownership and front office I don't think AD – who was just trying to force his way out of town – is the kind of guy I want around my impressionable young rookie franchise cornerstone.


Its the Pelicans, If I was Zion I would be demanding a trade before the draft and wouldn't report to camp
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CCP&G wrote:
How much will it take to get the bucks to flinch on Brogdon? They just gave Bledsoe a ton of money and will probably have to max Middleton this year. If we can’t get Kawhi I would rather target Brogdon at 15/20 million than maxing one of the other B level stars. Think he would fit well with Ball and would leave us money to sign a solid center rotation, thinking Gasol on a three year deal or WCS if you prefer a rim runner. Then draft Hunter with the pick and sign Dedmon for the exception and Seth Curry for what’s left. Team would be

Ball/Curry/Caruso
Brogdon/Hart
Ingram/Hunter/vet min
Lebron/Kuzma/Williams
Gasol/Dedmon/Wagner

Don’t know that the team wins a championship but they would be fun and if Ball and Ingram take a step I think they are a contender. We don’t sacrifice any youth and would have $60ish million coming off books in three years when Lebron is done and youth is entering their prime.


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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cital wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Brendon Haywood just said that the Lakers have the best potential package out of Boston NY and Lakers


Haywood expecting the Lakers to trade #4 and ALL of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz?


He said Kuz Bi and the number 4


To make that trade work, along with signing a max free agent, we would have to sign the pick and make the trade after 30 days and also include Hart, Wagner, and Bonga... I would still make that deal though

Ball
Kawhi
LeBron
Davis
Room Exception

I believe they'd have to stretch Bonga's contract to sign a 30% max FA and the pick, which means the Lakers would have to include Ball instead of BI to match salaries in a Beal or AD trade because Ball makes $1.5M more than Ingram next season.


Tim Legler said looking around the league he doesn’t think anyone can offer a more attractive package than the Lakers and Celtics. He also said AD has a lot of leverage now.
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Car54 wrote:
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Car54 wrote:
The Juggernaut wrote:
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lakersfever714 wrote:
AD + Zion front court is like a dream. I don't blame AD if he decided to stay in Naulins.

hardly. They both basically want to play the same position. There is no way AD is going to sit around and let Zion become NOLA's darling while AD become's his stretch 5.


They play nothing alike.


Yup. AD and Zion is a great front court if I was AD I’d run this season w him and see how it goes. He’s still a FA next yr so it’s a small gamble


What is a 19 rookie gonna do for him that KD and Lebron can’t?


Play defense, rebound, run the floor hard, block shots, guard centers. Can help AD out a lot.


KD does all of those things so again I ask what can he do?


Why do you ask? Are the Pelicans trading for KD or Lebron? Or is Davis a free agent deciding who to team up with this offseason?
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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:32 am    Post subject:

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The Rockets are a good matchup with GSW... Obviously the Warriors are better but they are one Harden or Paul hot streak from upsetting them.

I also realize that Paul will only continue to decline but they were in a position to win with him playing like a role player. It's not like they were playing them close with CP3 performing well. They played them close with CP3 almost invisible. A lot depends on whether they return Gordon and PJ... whether those two start aging as well.. whether Capela can get his head right and progress... or whether we've seen his playoff ceiling... but I wouldn't write them off just yet.


The thing is the Rockets messed up when they tried to get that second star in CP3 like we are trying to do now. If they had Beverley, Lou, Harrell, and kept the picks and Ariza, they would have put up an even better fight.


Yeah I agree in general that picking good solid players would have been better than signing CP3 for that huge contract. If Paul was younger... maybe I could see it... but that was a bad miscalculation.
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cital wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
cital wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Lonzo-Lite wrote:
Car54 wrote:
Brendon Haywood just said that the Lakers have the best potential package out of Boston NY and Lakers


Haywood expecting the Lakers to trade #4 and ALL of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz?


He said Kuz Bi and the number 4


To make that trade work, along with signing a max free agent, we would have to sign the pick and make the trade after 30 days and also include Hart, Wagner, and Bonga... I would still make that deal though

Ball
Kawhi
LeBron
Davis
Room Exception

I believe they'd have to stretch Bonga's contract to sign a 30% max FA and the pick, which means the Lakers would have to include Ball instead of BI to match salaries in a Beal or AD trade because Ball makes $1.5M more than Ingram next season.


I don't think they would have to stretch Bonga, check out the numbers on the 1st page of this thread. I ran the numbers and everything seems correct on the cap space and trade... The only thing that I think is incorrect on the first page is the cost of the 4th pick, it would actually be just over 7 million I believe, but if the cap comes in at 109 as expected, we would still have the space for a max free agent...


Numbers in the first one are wrong. LS did not include the raise to the rookie scale.
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