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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm    Post subject:

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So now that reality is setting in for some of you on AD.. You're back to Beal lol.

I've read not one single report that he's available. And if he were, Ingram and 4 wouldn't cut it as far as a trade is concerned.


Yeah. Get that 2nd max, figure it out then.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm    Post subject:

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Let's get a max guy in first. We can potentially sign AD next season.
This mess is seemingly gonna work it's way out and in the long run it will be in our favor.
This summer is going to be big.


If we get a good max and start winning, might buy us time to next summer but is the $ math there to sign a UFA AD next summer?
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:13 pm    Post subject:

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In the end, it may just save the Lakers from offering up too many assets in a trade (and I love AD for the record). We may get a 2nd max FA, and keep BI/Lonzo/4th pick/Kuz/Hart, et. al. for a deeper team, and a chance to opportunistically trade later down the road.

I think the Pels trade angle may be asking to be strung along again as leverage when the deal is being catered to non Lakers team. We all know the Lakers leverage angle that is used against us by FAs and trade situations alike.

We should not feel it's AD or bust b/c it really isn't.


Whole-heartedly agree. If we can sign a second superstar, part of me would prefer a trade for someone like Beal in which we keep one of Lonzo/Ingram/#4 as opposed to giving up everything for AD. Bron/Kawhi/Beal and one of Lonzo or Ingram is pretty tantalizing.

Regardless — the Lakers are in position to have an excellent summer. It would frankly be hard to screw this up. Here’s to hoping Jeanie and the Rambii don’t find a way to.


Without Beal we would be devastating IMO.

Lonzo
BI
KL
LBJ
Room exception center.

You'd still have a #4 pick (Garland, Hunter, Culver, etc.), Hart, Kuz, Mo, Bonga, etc. plus any ring chasers.


In theory I agree, but if you have KL and 35-year old LeBron, you need to go all-in for a title in the next 3 years. If you can get a Beal-level impact player (who’s still only 27 btw) and keep one of your blue-chip assets (lonzo, BI, #4) you have to do it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject:

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So now that reality is setting in for some of you on AD.. You're back to Beal lol.

I've read not one single report that he's available. And if he were, Ingram and 4 wouldn't cut it as far as a trade is concerned.


Yeah. Get that 2nd max, figure it out then.


Agreed, after the second max.. you don't need to make any major moves. Complimentary pieces is all you need.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:15 pm    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
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Pelicans are still not interested in trading AD to the Lakers, even after LA landed the No. 4 pick, per
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NY makes more sense from NO pov. Get him out if conference, don't give AD/Lakers/Kiutch what they want but still give him a good/great situation, and get RJ to pair with Zion.

Robinson
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Smith | Ntilikina

I'm stating to come to the conclusion we have no shot....

unless the Knicks are also offloading pretty much all of their future 1st rounders they collected then thats not better than the Lakers offer.
Knox and DSJ are a JOKE compared BI, Ball
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:16 pm    Post subject:

not a big fan of AD, he's way too injury prone. and when healthy, his Pelican team was not making any noise anyway. bottomline, he's not a game changer, we need PERIMETER STARS, not big men, the days of dominant big men are long gone.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject:

Dont take the Pelicans news at face value. Ofcourse they would like to relay the perception they have no interest in trading with us... they want to up the ante and have the Lakers willing to bring in a crazy godfather offer.
The Lakers in return should be leaking out how much they love the player they will be able to draft at #4
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject:

Just for fun... what are you some of the trades going down involving the 4th
pick that will make you want to pull your hair out mine are:

4th pick to OKC for Russell Westbrook
4th pick to Cavs for Kevin Love
4th pick to Pistons for Blake Griffin
4th pick to Spurs for LaMarcus Aldridge
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:21 pm    Post subject:

audioaxes wrote:
Dont take the Pelicans news at face value. Ofcourse they would like to relay the perception they have no interest in trading with us... they want to up the ante and have the Lakers willing to bring in a crazy godfather offer.
The Lakers in return should be leaking out how much they love the player they will be able to draft at #4


They can have whatever they want from the Lakers.. They don't have to play games. Everyone knows this.

I think some of us are in denial, and I can understand why.. AD is a phenomenal player. It really is time to let it go lol.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject:

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Dont take the Pelicans news at face value. Ofcourse they would like to relay the perception they have no interest in trading with us... they want to up the ante and have the Lakers willing to bring in a crazy godfather offer.
The Lakers in return should be leaking out how much they love the player they will be able to draft at #4



Lakers need to chill on the AD trade. Forcing that is a no win situation
for the Lakers...
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject:

The Pels might be waiting to see what happens to the cap room of NY and LA teams this summer. If it gets filled up, maybe they think they have a better chance of retaining him. Maybe Boston loses Kyrie and now won’t budge on Tatum. So mid July maybe then they re-evaluate everything.

If we strike out and punt, then they are in trouble. Even if Zion and AD look decent, still a risk. I’d be surprised if the brought him back but stranger things have happened.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:26 pm    Post subject:

nzahir wrote:
Any semi expensive bigs we should look to trade for/sign if we miss out on AD?

If we miss on the big name FA's: I wonder if we could do BI, Wagner and 4 for Beal and 9

17M for Horford (assuming opt out). Get rid of Bonga. About 18M a year. 3 years 54M



Lonzo, Beal, Sign a SF with room exception, Lebron, Horford
Bullock, 9th pick, Hart, Kuzma, Chandler plus vet min pg, vet min small ball energy big, and a vet met min shooter

Maybe move Hart or rookie for a cheap starting sf?


Horford would be great on a 3 year deal. but why would he opt out of 30.1 Million next year?
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:28 pm    Post subject:

LBJ23 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
trablos wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
Jaren Jackson is getting paid 5.9m

So Ingram 7.2 + 6m #4 + 2m Wagner +2 m Hart= 17.2 m

4 m short of ad trade

Sign Kyrie, find a way to keep Ball and make that offer to Nola maybe using a S&T using one our 1 year guys?



What is the first year salary for the player sent to New Orleans via a sign and trade?



I am still waiting for your response.


It would have to be around 9 million with BI, Kuz, Mo, and Hart included


No


If you know why don't you tell us. If the 4 pick salary counts, it would be around 3 or 4 million for the s and t player?



This will be mostly a repeat of what was discussed last night.

Capulator

As of now, that web site hasn't been updated and it shows the cap holds for first round picks pre lottery drawing.

Navigate to Chicago as the team. and scroll down to see the cap holds for unsigned draft picks.

4-$ 6,994,680

Deeks was still using a $108 million salary cap, so the cap hold for the #4 pick should be in the area of $7,059,360 once the web site is changed to reflect a $109 million salary cap and the Lakers having #4.


The numbers on the first page of this thread have been updated some.

OFFICIAL GENERAL FREE AGENCY/TRADE THREAD (Available 2019 FAs, LAL Cap Space & KD, KL & AD Scenarios w/ #4 Pick, p.1)


I am expecting the cap hold shown for the #4 to eventually be moved higher into the area of $7 million and that would leave very little cap space left to work with after signing a 30% max (Irving, Leonard, Butler etc). Depending on how the numbers fall, they might need to make a minor move to have enough cap space for a 30% max.

Notice that the cap holds for the one year guys (Muscala, KCP, Lance, Rondo, Bullock) are not included on the first page of this thread.


Larry Coon has some thoughts about this topic.

Larry Coon Twitter


The one year guys (KCP, Rondo, Lance, Bullock, Muscala) had to be renounced to have enough cap space to sign a 30% max (Irving, Leonard, Butler etc).

39. What does renouncing a player mean?

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As detailed in question number 36, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exception (see question number 25) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. Teams are still permitted to re-sign renounced players, but only with cap room or an exception other than the Bird exception1. The exception to this rule is that an Early Bird free agent, at the team's option, can be renounced to the Non-Bird level. A team might do this in order to sign the player to a one-year contract, instead of the minimum two years required by the Early Bird exception.

If the player does not sign with any team (his prior team or any other team) for the entire season, then his renouncement continues. In other words, the team is not permitted to renounce a player, let him sit idle for the year, and then re-sign him the following summer using Bird rights. However, if the player is renounced and then re-signs with his prior team, his renouncement is no longer in effect when his contract ends. For example, if a team renounces their Larry Bird rights to a player, then re-signs that player to a one-year contract using cap room, the player will be a Larry Bird free agent once again the following summer.

After renouncing a player, a team can still sign the player to a Two-Way contract (see question number 82) or trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 92).

1 The team is bound to the restrictions on salary, contract length and raises associated with the means they use to sign the player -- for example, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and then re-signs him with the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the contract must conform to the requirements of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception. However, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and later re-signs him using its cap room, the player can still receive the contract length and raises associated with the Bird exception. This is because the maximum contract length and raises in a cap room signing are determined by the player's original free agent status, and are not affected by renouncement.



Since having enough cap space to sign a 30% max could be an issue, having additional cap room to give a decent contract to one of the one year guys (Muscala, KCP, Rondo, Lance, Bullock) in a sign and trade scenario to New Orleans (or Washington) seems very very difficult to pull off.

When Trabalos suggested that as a possibility, it made me wonder how it would be done and that is why I asked my question.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject:

deal wrote:
audioaxes wrote:
Dont take the Pelicans news at face value. Ofcourse they would like to relay the perception they have no interest in trading with us... they want to up the ante and have the Lakers willing to bring in a crazy godfather offer.
The Lakers in return should be leaking out how much they love the player they will be able to draft at #4



Lakers need to chill on the AD trade. Forcing that is a no win situation
for the Lakers...
.

I agree whatever is going to happen with AD will happen because AD will dictate the situation. If AD says the Lakers are his destination nothing that Griffin or others can do to make that change. Just let the cards fall where they may.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:34 pm    Post subject:

Fu'ck the Pelicans and AD. Close the door. I am still sour about Stern destroying a potential championship team and helping the Pels (more ways than one).
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject:

Bard207 wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
LBJ23 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
trablos wrote:
Jesusdelonla wrote:
Jaren Jackson is getting paid 5.9m

So Ingram 7.2 + 6m #4 + 2m Wagner +2 m Hart= 17.2 m

4 m short of ad trade

Sign Kyrie, find a way to keep Ball and make that offer to Nola maybe using a S&T using one our 1 year guys?



What is the first year salary for the player sent to New Orleans via a sign and trade?



I am still waiting for your response.


It would have to be around 9 million with BI, Kuz, Mo, and Hart included


No


If you know why don't you tell us. If the 4 pick salary counts, it would be around 3 or 4 million for the s and t player?



This will be mostly a repeat of what was discussed last night.

Capulator

As of now, that web site hasn't been updated and it shows the cap holds for first round picks pre lottery drawing.

Navigate to Chicago as the team. and scroll down to see the cap holds for unsigned draft picks.

4-$ 6,994,680

Deeks was still using a $108 million salary cap, so the cap hold for the #4 pick should be in the area of $7,059,360 once the web site is changed to reflect a $109 million salary cap and the Lakers having #4.


The numbers on the first page of this thread have been updated some.

OFFICIAL GENERAL FREE AGENCY/TRADE THREAD (Available 2019 FAs, LAL Cap Space & KD, KL & AD Scenarios w/ #4 Pick, p.1)


I am expecting the cap hold shown for the #4 to eventually be moved higher into the area of $7 million and that would leave very little cap space left to work with after signing a 30% max (Irving, Leonard, Butler etc). Depending on how the numbers fall, they might need to make a minor move to have enough cap space for a 30% max.

Notice that the cap holds for the one year guys (Muscala, KCP, Lance, Rondo, Bullock) are not included on the first page of this thread.


Larry Coon has some thoughts about this topic.

Larry Coon Twitter


The one year guys (KCP, Rondo, Lance, Bullock, Muscala) had to be renounced to have enough cap space to sign a 30% max (Irving, Leonard, Butler etc).

39. What does renouncing a player mean?

Quote:

As detailed in question number 36, free agents continue to be included in team salary. By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exception (see question number 25) to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. Teams are still permitted to re-sign renounced players, but only with cap room or an exception other than the Bird exception1. The exception to this rule is that an Early Bird free agent, at the team's option, can be renounced to the Non-Bird level. A team might do this in order to sign the player to a one-year contract, instead of the minimum two years required by the Early Bird exception.

If the player does not sign with any team (his prior team or any other team) for the entire season, then his renouncement continues. In other words, the team is not permitted to renounce a player, let him sit idle for the year, and then re-sign him the following summer using Bird rights. However, if the player is renounced and then re-signs with his prior team, his renouncement is no longer in effect when his contract ends. For example, if a team renounces their Larry Bird rights to a player, then re-signs that player to a one-year contract using cap room, the player will be a Larry Bird free agent once again the following summer.

After renouncing a player, a team can still sign the player to a Two-Way contract (see question number 82) or trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement (see question number 92).

1 The team is bound to the restrictions on salary, contract length and raises associated with the means they use to sign the player -- for example, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and then re-signs him with the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the contract must conform to the requirements of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception. However, if a team renounces its Bird free agent and later re-signs him using its cap room, the player can still receive the contract length and raises associated with the Bird exception. This is because the maximum contract length and raises in a cap room signing are determined by the player's original free agent status, and are not affected by renouncement.



Since having enough cap space to sign a 30% max could be an issue, having additional cap room to give a decent contract to one of the one year guys (Muscala, KCP, Rondo, Lance, Bullock) in a sign and trade scenario to New Orleans (or Washington) seems very very difficult to pull off.

When Trabalos suggested that as a possibility, it made me wonder how it would be done and that is why I asked my question.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject:

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Just for fun... what are you some of the trades going down involving the 4th
pick that will make you want to pull your hair out mine are:

4th pick to OKC for Russell Westbrook
4th pick to Cavs for Kevin Love
4th pick to Pistons for Blake Griffin
4th pick to Spurs for LaMarcus Aldridge

the Lakers dont even have to cap filler to make those trades happen without sending them young core players
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Inspector Gadget wrote:
Just for fun... what are you some of the trades going down involving the 4th
pick that will make you want to pull your hair out mine are:

4th pick to OKC for Russell Westbrook
4th pick to Cavs for Kevin Love
4th pick to Pistons for Blake Griffin
4th pick to Spurs for LaMarcus Aldridge

the Lakers dont even have to cap filler to make those trades happen without sending them young core players
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject:

its really simple in my opinion -- short of AD saying he will only sign with Lakers, we will not get him. So if hes fine with playing in NY, then that is what will likely happen because while their young talent isnt as good as ours; that #3 pick is nice.

I just want to get that FA and go from there. AD would be great if we can get him at BI + #4 + someone other than Ball and fillers. Since that is probably not good enough for the Pelicans, I'm happy passing on AD.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:48 pm    Post subject:

I always wanted to keep one of Lonzo and Ingram, but now that we have the 4th I want to keep 2 out of 3 assets lmfao

If we can get a win now team next to Lebron and still have two of those pieces to build around this offseason is W no matter which scenario happens
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:12 pm    Post subject:

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Not sure the same applies here. Griff most certainly only takes that job if he’s assured of 100% autonomy over the AD situation. No way someone of his caliber takes that job if ownership tells him “to the Lakers over our dead bodies.” He’ll take the best deal.


I don’t see Loomis giving 100% autonomy to anybody, and I doubt Griff was highly regarded enough to get that from him. I’d see a Jerry West or something....


Maybe I’m being naive. But Griff is one of the most highly regarded execs in the league and sat on the sidelines for over a year. Dude was living his best life in Napa Valley with his wife. He didn’t have to take the Pels job — he could’ve kept waiting for a better gig. Without autonomy over the AD situation, the Pels job is pretty lousy (move from Napa to New Orleans, no young assets, poor cap situation, slightly below average roster, etc...) Why would he take it in that situation?

Again, not saying I even think a Lakers trade is likely. Just that I don’t buy the notion that he took the job with his superiors putting limitations on what he’s allowed to do. They even gave him an EVP title compared to Demps’ GM title. That says something about the power he’s being given.


I'm completely with you on this. Not that he will necessarily trade AD to the Lakers, but I believe he will if he thinks we have the best offer.
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I always wanted to keep one of Lonzo and Ingram, but now that we have the 4th I want to keep 2 out of 3 assets lmfao

If we can get a win now team next to Lebron and still have two of those pieces to build around this offseason is W no matter which scenario happens



Does a win now team include a 30% max player (Irving, K Leonard, Butler etc)?
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject:

This season was disappointing mainly due to the amount of injuries the Lakers got, if LeBron doesn't get injured against the Warriors I'm certain they make the playoffs.

I'm optimistic about next season LeBron will be eager to prove people wrong that he made the right decison joining the Lakers and he will play with a chip on his shoulder.

Hopefully the likes of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma and Hart can stay clear of injuires this summer and be ready for training camp. It will be interesting if Wagner can make a jump next season to be a regular in the rotation.

Moving up in the draft lottery to #4 was unexpected but now the Lakers can draft someone like Culver, Hunter or Garland. Plus cap space to try and sign one of KD, Kawhi, Irving, Kemba, Butler etc.

If they miss out on signing a player from that list then they can use the cap space to sign players on one year contrats e.g. Danny Green, Ed Davis, Dedmon. Similar to how they signed KCP, JaVale, Rondo etc last year but this time actually sign the right type of players.

The roster next season -LeBron, Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, #4, Wagner, Bonga, Caruso (sign him up), Jones (Two-way contract) plus whoever the Lakers sign in the off-season.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:20 pm    Post subject:

Username wrote:
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Pelicans are still not interested in trading AD to the Lakers, even after LA landed the No. 4 pick, per
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I don't believe this report at all. Even if it's true, I don't think it's something that a smart guy like David Griffin would allow to leak as it hampers leverage with teams like the Celtics and Knicks.


Seriously. People are freaking out over something Windhorst said? Do we not see the pattern here? Windhorst, like many at ESPN, has an agenda. Dude was angrily and adamantly denying that LeBron was going to sign with the Lakers last year, when he probably knew it was true. (It was basically an open secret and yet the media had to have a narrative out there, so guess what, the Lakers were pissed on.) He also indignantly claimed that Kawhi would've been a Laker last year during trade talks had we just been willing to trade Ingram, and everything we've learned since then proves that, of course, this is patently absurd. Larry Coon put it out there, that they only would have done it had we basically given them every young player we had plus a ton of future 1st round picks. Who are you trusting, Larry or a spinmeister at ESPN?

Again, this isn't surprising. Our position has improved significantly and what do you know, within 24 hours, we're being pissed on again. I'm not saying we will get AD, but I've seen this media game before. Username is absolutely right: even if the owner told Griffin that she will not allow him to trade AD to the Lakers, you wouldn't want that out there if you're the Pelicans because it weakens your leverage with the other suitors. That tells you it's coming from somewhere else. From some other agenda. Think, people.
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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2019 2:34 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
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So now that reality is setting in for some of you on AD.. You're back to Beal lol.

I've read not one single report that he's available. And if he were, Ingram and 4 wouldn't cut it as far as a trade is concerned.


Yeah. Get that 2nd max, figure it out then.


Exactly. Besides GSW what team has 3 let alone 2?
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