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paymonM
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| oldlakerfan wrote: | | Raijin wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Trump probably could have come clean about his past affairs, since white Evangelical voters would probably have voted for him regardless.
He probably thought these voters had an actual moral compass and that he would have to hide his indiscretions, when in reality, they probably already believed he had these affairs, lied about them and paid them off, and still voted for him in the 80%+ range.  |
Yep, this is what i said. it surprised me that he did all that maneuvering when he surely didnt need too. these people were voting for a guy that said grab em by the ... that alone is over the top. and if that didnt stop women from voting for him and men with daughters/wives. well there you have it. anything goes. |
All that matters is Jesus will forgive them for voting in such a vile human being because they were able to stack the Supreme Court and enact Christian ideals
like:
-Corporate persoonhood
-Less Taxes for the rich
-Destruction of the enviroment
-Stripping healthcare from those less fortunate
-Stripping financial support from those who need it
Good wholesome Christian ideals. If there is a hell, these people are going to it |
Hold on a minute is there anyone who did not know that Trump was a former playboy? This is not a new revelation and if it is those voters are poorly informed.
Trump is against
Open Borders and the Crime and Drugs and Child trafficking that Democrats let happen.
Trump is for lower taxes to grow the economy
Trump is for lower regulations to grow the economy and attract business to the USA
Trump is for growing jobs and raising wages by growing the economy & stopping illegal immigration
Trump is Pro life
Trump is for US sovereignty and pro American policies
Trump is against things like climate change which is politically based with solutions that cost the USA and do not fix the problem.
Trump does not want to burden tax payers with illegal Alien costs
Trump is pro Israel, pro Christian and for individual rights
Trump is against authoritarian policies that limit our 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
Globalism, political correctness, limiting our constitutional rights, identity politics, creating dependency on Gov't not our you won labor and other Saul Alinsky tactics will be on trial in 2020. Of course before any of that happens many of us will be entertained watching the Democrat candidates stake out their positions and then bludgeon each other. Immigration is a big issue and I will be interested to see how the candidates navigate that issue. Should be a lot of fun. |
lower taxes, particularly when it is focuses entirely on the top 1% does NOT grow the economy. That's just nonsense repeated by talking heads on fox news and CNBC. What does grow the economy is demand for products. Demand for products forces or encourages businesses to expand. The only thing tax cuts do is allow companies to buy back shares, prop up the stock price and rotate the money right back into their execs through stock grants. |
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| Vanquish wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Ok lawyers, Why is Giuliani boldly not worry about the legal aspect of his statements on tv, including that the president might’ve lied but wasn’t under oath. Is this because there is no path to get trump, the president, not the citizen, legally? Thus Giuliani goes straight to trying to win politically or the court of public opinion? |
I don't think it has anything to do with the criminal immunity of a sitting president. Rather, I think Guiliani is trying to hammer home a specific point, which is that lying by itself is not a crime.
If this were otherwise, almost everyone would have to go to prison since I wager a significant proportion of the population has lied at some point of their lives or another in a public setting. Lying as a criminal offence has to be within a certain context as prescribed by law. Lying under oath on a witness stand is one of them. I'm not an expert on federal criminal law but Alan Dershowitz is. He argues that even under an FBI examination, to be an offence the lie has to be of a fact material to the investigation. That might be other legal experts who disagree with Dershowitz but what Dershowitz argues is usually a plausible interpretation of the current state of the law.
Long story short, Guiliani is a lawyer and cares only about the legal question of whether a crime has been committed. Even if it is admitted that the President has lied, as long as the lie does fall under one of the contexts specified by law, the President would not have committed a crime, although Trump might have acted immorally in doing so. Guiliani's statements could - and probably has - damaged the president in the eyes of public opinion but Guiliani is indifferent to that since it is not his job to morally justify Trump's actions. Guiliani's job rather is to hammer home to potential jurors that the law distinguishes between lying as a crime and lying as a moral sin. Only the former is punishable. |
So in a trial, none of Trump’s words as POTUS is unable to be used unless it’s under oath. And POTUS never gonna have to speak under oath. That’s why Giuliani can go that route |
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| governator wrote: | | Vanquish wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Ok lawyers, Why is Giuliani boldly not worry about the legal aspect of his statements on tv, including that the president might’ve lied but wasn’t under oath. Is this because there is no path to get trump, the president, not the citizen, legally? Thus Giuliani goes straight to trying to win politically or the court of public opinion? |
I don't think it has anything to do with the criminal immunity of a sitting president. Rather, I think Guiliani is trying to hammer home a specific point, which is that lying by itself is not a crime.
If this were otherwise, almost everyone would have to go to prison since I wager a significant proportion of the population has lied at some point of their lives or another in a public setting. Lying as a criminal offence has to be within a certain context as prescribed by law. Lying under oath on a witness stand is one of them. I'm not an expert on federal criminal law but Alan Dershowitz is. He argues that even under an FBI examination, to be an offence the lie has to be of a fact material to the investigation. That might be other legal experts who disagree with Dershowitz but what Dershowitz argues is usually a plausible interpretation of the current state of the law.
Long story short, Guiliani is a lawyer and cares only about the legal question of whether a crime has been committed. Even if it is admitted that the President has lied, as long as the lie does fall under one of the contexts specified by law, the President would not have committed a crime, although Trump might have acted immorally in doing so. Guiliani's statements could - and probably has - damaged the president in the eyes of public opinion but Guiliani is indifferent to that since it is not his job to morally justify Trump's actions. Guiliani's job rather is to hammer home to potential jurors that the law distinguishes between lying as a crime and lying as a moral sin. Only the former is punishable. |
So in a trial, none of Trump’s words as POTUS is unable to be used unless it’s under oath. And POTUS never gonna have to speak under oath. That’s why Giuliani can go that route |
Exactly, that's why when asked if he would ever allow Trump to be interviewed by Mueller in person, Giuliani said, 'over my dead body'. Trump would probably commit perjury and be Flynn-ed or Martha Sterward-ed. |
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| Trump's public statements/lying (Twitter, etc.) can't be used in the perjury sense. But they can be used to establish "consciousness of guilt" and they also go to his character and credibility because they establish a pattern of chronic lying and deceit. Prosecutors routinely inform jurors of this everyday. |
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| Quote: | | Hold on a minute is there anyone who did not know that Trump was a former playboy? This is not a new revelation and if it is those voters are poorly informed. |
This is from the same person that argued about 50-pages ago that Trump never did anything inappropriate in the sexual arena. When presented with paragraphs of evidence to the contrary, he never returned to respond.
It never happened.
If it did happen, it wasn't wrong.
No big deal, everyone knew about it. |
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As many predicted, McSally (who just lost her election to Sinema) was appointed to fill the vacant seat of the retiring Kyl, which is McCain's seat.
Great pickup opportunity for the Dems in 2020.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Quote: | | Hold on a minute is there anyone who did not know that Trump was a former playboy? This is not a new revelation and if it is those voters are poorly informed. |
This is from the same person that argued about 50-pages ago that Trump never did anything inappropriate in the sexual arena. When presented with paragraphs of evidence to the contrary, he never returned to respond.
It never happened.
If it did happen, it wasn't wrong.
No big deal, everyone knew about it. |
Yep, oldlakerfan is a Gold Medalist in Mental Gymnastics. Flipping, Spinning, Jumping, Tumbling, Turning. Good grief. Just admit it already. "I DONT CARE what type of person my president is as long as he SAYS he's for the stuff I'm for. Thats all I care about." |
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| Trump/GOP tax cuts for the rich economy = Dow just had the worst month since the Great Depression. |
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That's an old article. But that's the same Trump foundation that's under investigation for being a money-laundering, self-dealing, illegal fraud. |
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| paymonM wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | | Raijin wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Trump probably could have come clean about his past affairs, since white Evangelical voters would probably have voted for him regardless.
He probably thought these voters had an actual moral compass and that he would have to hide his indiscretions, when in reality, they probably already believed he had these affairs, lied about them and paid them off, and still voted for him in the 80%+ range. |
Yep, this is what i said. it surprised me that he did all that maneuvering when he surely didnt need too. these people were voting for a guy that said grab em by the ... that alone is over the top. and if that didnt stop women from voting for him and men with daughters/wives. well there you have it. anything goes. |
All that matters is Jesus will forgive them for voting in such a vile human being because they were able to stack the Supreme Court and enact Christian ideals
like:
-Corporate persoonhood
-Less Taxes for the rich
-Destruction of the enviroment
-Stripping healthcare from those less fortunate
-Stripping financial support from those who need it
Good wholesome Christian ideals. If there is a hell, these people are going to it |
Hold on a minute is there anyone who did not know that Trump was a former playboy? This is not a new revelation and if it is those voters are poorly informed.
Trump is against
Open Borders and the Crime and Drugs and Child trafficking that Democrats let happen.
Trump is for lower taxes to grow the economy
Trump is for lower regulations to grow the economy and attract business to the USA
Trump is for growing jobs and raising wages by growing the economy & stopping illegal immigration
Trump is Pro life
Trump is for US sovereignty and pro American policies
Trump is against things like climate change which is politically based with solutions that cost the USA and do not fix the problem.
Trump does not want to burden tax payers with illegal Alien costs
Trump is pro Israel, pro Christian and for individual rights
Trump is against authoritarian policies that limit our 1st and 2nd amendment rights.
Globalism, political correctness, limiting our constitutional rights, identity politics, creating dependency on Gov't not our you won labor and other Saul Alinsky tactics will be on trial in 2020. Of course before any of that happens many of us will be entertained watching the Democrat candidates stake out their positions and then bludgeon each other. Immigration is a big issue and I will be interested to see how the candidates navigate that issue. Should be a lot of fun. |
lower taxes, particularly when it is focuses entirely on the top 1% does NOT grow the economy. That's just nonsense repeated by talking heads on fox news and CNBC. What does grow the economy is demand for products. Demand for products forces or encourages businesses to expand. The only thing tax cuts do is allow companies to buy back shares, prop up the stock price and rotate the money right back into their execs through stock grants. |
What a tremendous con to convince everyday working Americans that if you cut taxes for those that are richer than you you’ll end up better off!
What a con to convince working Americans, almost all of whom are part of the American immigration story that immigrants are the source of their woes and are a drag on the economy.
What a con to convince hard working men and women that the regulations that are there to physically and financially protect them from the greed of corporate oligarchs are why they are struggling to put food on the table.
What a farce it is to say that Trump is against authoritarian policies, particularly as it relates to the first amendment. Let’s just remind ourselves what the 1st amendment says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This is the President who calls the press the enemy of the people.
This is the President who threatened a publisher with a costly defamation action demanding that a book detailing the “inside story” of the Trump White House never be published. Trump is so corrupt, has so many daily scandals that a “small” infraction like this one is often overlooked, but it’s a big deal.
James Madison, the principle author of the first amendment wrote that an effort to restrict speech “more than any other, ought to produce universal alarm.” The reason is that “it is levelled against that right of freely examining public characters and measures, and of free communication among the people thereon.”
I would argue that every right we have in America is built upon a foundation of freedom of speech, and Trump is no defender of freedom of speech or of the press. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: |
That's an old article. But that's the same Trump foundation that's under investigation for being a money-laundering, self-dealing, illegal fraud. |
Anyone want to lay odds that they actually think if they shut it down it makes the investigation stop? |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: |
That's an old article. But that's the same Trump foundation that's under investigation for being a money-laundering, self-dealing, illegal fraud. |
Anyone want to lay odds that they actually think if they shut it down it makes the investigation stop? |
I’m guessing not. But they do think it makes the value of the investigation stop. “Oh, we already shut that down, yet they are still digging away.” Their base buys persecution complex, and a large number of people are just dumb and apathetic enough to be affected by that.
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Here's the newer version of the story:
Trump agrees to shut down his charity amid allegations that he used it for personal and political benefit
| Quote: | President Trump has agreed to shut down his embattled personal charity and to give away its remaining money amid allegations that he used the foundation for his personal and political benefit, New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood announced Tuesday.
Underwood said that the Donald J. Trump Foundation is dissolving as her office pursues its lawsuit against the charity, Trump and his three eldest children.
The suit, filed in June, alleged “persistently illegal conduct” at the foundation and sought to have it shut down. Underwood is continuing to seek more than $2.8 million in restitution and has asked a judge to ban the Trumps temporarily from serving on the boards of other New York nonprofit organizations. |
I think he tried to close it down last year, hoping to evade the law. Then the NY AG's suit kept him from completely shutting down while it was being investigated.
| Quote: | NY AG Underwood (@) NewYorkStateAG
Today’s stipulation accomplishes a key piece of the relief sought in our lawsuit earlier this year. Under the terms, the Foundation can only distribute its remaining charitable assets to reputable organizations that we have approved. |
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Schumer showing some backbone, for now:
| Quote: | Greg Sargent (@) ThePlumLineGS
Schumer just called McConnell and rejected his "offer" of a $1 billion border slush fund, which was supposed to give Trump a way of saving face, I'm told. |
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And of course Pelosi not tolerating the wall (bleep):
| Quote: | Garrett Haake ( a t ) GarrettHaake
PELOSI not budging. Just told a small group of reporters: "The wall is not about money. The wall is about morality. It’s the wrong thing to do. It doesn’t work. Its not effective. It’s the wrong thing to do and it’s a waste of money." |
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| Quote: | | “All along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the President of the United States,” the judge tells Mike Flynn. "That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably, you sold your country out." |
Sounds like the judge didn't think any of this was very legal and very cool. |
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Is this delay good or bad for the Mueller probe? Is it good or bad for Trump?
Michael Flynn sentencing
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| Quote: | People outside the federal courthouse were heard chanting "lock him up" and "USA" as Michael Flynn left the building following the delay of his sentencing.
Flynn left the courthouse without speaking to reporters.
Judge Emmet Sullivan postponed Flynn's sentencing until 2019. Both sides now have until March 13 to file a status report with the court. |
| Quote: | Judge walks back treason questions
From CNN's Katelyn Polantz
Judge Emmet Sullivan started the second part of the proceedings by walking back some of his harshest comments.
"I made a statement about Mr. Flynn acting as a foreign agent in the White House," he said. Sullivan added that he realized that was incorrect.
Prosecutor Brandon Van Grack said the foreign lobbying Flynn did ended before the Trump administration began.
Sullivan also walked back his treason questions. "I'm not suggesting" Flynn committed treason, Sullivan now said. |
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Bad for Flynn. The judge was ready to put him in jail and gave him one more chance to redeem himself by cooperating fully instead of being just another traitor.
Bad for Trump. Flynn now has even more incentive to stay out of jail.
Good for Mueller. Mueller had recommended the minimum sentence. The judge actually gave Mueller more leverage to get more out of Flynn.
Flynn and his lawyers had been operating under the assumption that the judge would go easy on him and give him no jail time. That assumption flew out the window. |
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If that's the case it's good for Flynn. He has a chance to disclose more and further reduce his jail time or eliminate it completely.
I thought long ago, Trumps friends would turn against him sooner or later. I also said many in his party would abandon him. Both have come to fruition.
His base is also shrinking. I'm beginning to feel better about The Donald getting his just dues.
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Bad for Trump. Flynn now has even more incentive to stay out of jail. |
But it gives Trump more ammunition to say that any allegations were simply coerced through the threat of prison time and thus are false.
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Just like the campaign. Coordinating propaganda = COLLUSION:
Washington Post: Russia ran a disinformation campaign against Mueller. It sounds just like Trump’s.
| Quote: | Courtesy of new reports released by the Senate Intelligence Committee, we’re now learning new details about a major disinformation campaign that Russia ran against special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.
Prepare to sit down for this one: In an extraordinary coincidence, it turns out that Russia’s messaging about the Mueller investigation is eerily, strikingly similar to the attacks on it waged by a rather prominent American: President Trump. |
| Quote: | The Senate Intelligence Committee has released two reports prepared by outside consultants that detail the extraordinary scope of the Russian campaign of disinformation warfare conducted against the United States during the 2016 election. Much of this disinformation was spread on social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter and Instagram by Internet Research Agency, or IRA, a Russian company whose top officials have been indicted by Mueller. Among other things, the attacks were targeted toward African Americans and were designed to suppress Democratic turnout.
But it also turns out that the Russian disinformation warfare continued after the election — and it targeted the Mueller investigation. The Post describes the goal of the Russian “disinformation teams” as follows:
"Having worked to help get Trump into the White House, they now worked to neutralize the biggest threat to his staying there."
As The Post notes, the Russian attacks were “unloaded on Mueller through fake accounts on Facebook, Twitter and beyond.” But when you dig into the report that details these attacks, you can’t help but notice the similarity in these attacks’ content with that of Trump’s. The report describes how these attacks were amplified on faked “right-leaning pages.” |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: |
Bad for Trump. Flynn now has even more incentive to stay out of jail. |
But it gives Trump more ammunition to say that any allegations were simply coerced through the threat of prison time and thus are false. |
Who will that play to other than his shrinking base?
Judge Sullivan threw a monkey wrench into Flynn and Trumps plans. They didn't expect Sullivan to be so tough.
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Can a sitting president be drug tested.   |
Now I don't think that would have been to good for Obama |
You add absolutely ZERO to this discussion -- every single time. It's a talent. |
Yeah, in fact, after many, many interactions with oldlakerfan: 1) Posting absolutely silly arguments that are clearly either insane or intentional trolls; 2) Never engaging in the discourse that follows in any meaningful way; and 3) Never altering his position on the basis of refuting evidence with which he's presented (or formulating his arguments at all without cherry-picking only what agrees with his internal narrative), it's time for this to stop.
OLF, we welcome your presence and participation here. We welcome a productive and reasonable dialog. We do not welcome what I described above, and we've seen enough from you to have a clear idea where this is headed. Consider this a final warning to engage in a productive dialog with us. We'd love for you to do that. Failing that, we'd welcome you self-selecting not to participate in this thread at all, while enjoying the remainder of this site. But any more of what I described above will end your tenure here. |
I’ve voluntarily, self exiled myself from this thread as this warning is something I never want to see in my inbox.
Cheers and happy New Years!
Reading more, posting less, progress!
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| lakerjoshua wrote: | | LarryCoon wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | oldlakerfan wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Can a sitting president be drug tested. |
Now I don't think that would have been to good for Obama |
You add absolutely ZERO to this discussion -- every single time. It's a talent. |
Yeah, in fact, after many, many interactions with oldlakerfan: 1) Posting absolutely silly arguments that are clearly either insane or intentional trolls; 2) Never engaging in the discourse that follows in any meaningful way; and 3) Never altering his position on the basis of refuting evidence with which he's presented (or formulating his arguments at all without cherry-picking only what agrees with his internal narrative), it's time for this to stop.
OLF, we welcome your presence and participation here. We welcome a productive and reasonable dialog. We do not welcome what I described above, and we've seen enough from you to have a clear idea where this is headed. Consider this a final warning to engage in a productive dialog with us. We'd love for you to do that. Failing that, we'd welcome you self-selecting not to participate in this thread at all, while enjoying the remainder of this site. But any more of what I described above will end your tenure here. |
I’ve voluntarily, self exiled myself from this thread as this warning is something I never want to see in my inbox.
Cheers any happy New Years!
Reading more, posting less, progress! |
Happy Holidays friend. Doing more of that myself.
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