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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject:

It just bugs me how the league has tilted things in GS's favor more and more. See the new freedom of movement rules and the 14 second shot clock for offensive rebounds.

Meanwhile, when we were winning chips. Jerry West and other members of the rules committee were finding ways to make us less dominant.
Shiesty stuff. But that's life.

Don't mind the prevalence of the 3pt shot. I hope 10 years from now, over 1/2 of all shots are 3 pointers. And every team has 2 half-court shooting specialists in their starting lineup. First team to hit 50 threes wins.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:37 pm    Post subject:

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This is driven by fan preferences, not by analytics.its driven by both. and lets break the fan word up into groups. there's the casual fan, and the knowledgeable fan. the casual fan wants the high scores by any means necessary. just score. the knowledgeable fan wants people to score as well but in a variety of ways. also in the paint and in the post with bigs who can utilize the post properly. these fans also would like to see better defense being allowed to be played.

I love basketball. but I know for afact even with these high scores it is no where near as fun to watch when you had some guys shooting 3's, while others were killing you in the post.

It may be entertainment. but like music. it is an art form. and there is hopefully some integrity that comes with that. Dont auto tune me to death. SING.



I have no doubt that back in the day someone who called themselves "a knowledgable fan" declared it "a fact" that the sport lost its fun and artistry when the 24-second clock was instituted.

It's game. There is no right or wrong way to play it. There are different styles that appeal to different people. You just like one style. Cool.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Sports, like many things, is cyclical. People get bored, and they want to mix it up. We will eventually get back to an ISO style era once people at large get bored with the current one.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Sports, like many things, is cyclical. People get bored, and they want to mix it up. We will eventually get back to an ISO style era once people at large get bored with the current one.


I think you're mixing very different things. People do get bored, but sports is not particularly cyclical. You don't see the wishbone or triple wing in football. Sports change because people discover new things to beat the old things. And they discover newer,better information.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Last year: We want to run the fastest tempo in the league

This year: We wanna slow down and preserve LeBron's legs


PICK an identity please.

And we wonder why there's no consistency in our team structure.


Agreed. I take Magic's word now with a grain of salt. He was the most impatient of us all by admonishing Luke and now he preaches that they are still learning to play with each other.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject:

Lebron doesn't have an issue with pace. I forgot where I read it, but in terms of miles run per game, he's actually right around average with the league, despite the team being top 5 in pace. The slower pace is more due to Rondo's injury.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:18 am    Post subject:

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Having the best coach in the NBA (who’s front office is considered calculated) take a shot at analytics is funny to me. Analytics works, but some people here act like it’s the end all be all. Like some nerd from MIT will know more basketball than Magic (bleep) Johnson. GTFOH. How’s Morey looking these days? His analytics worked well when he got rid of good defenders and went after Melo.

I talked to an old coach who supposedly knew Kawhi as a kid last night. I asked him his thoughts on the current NBA. Of course he hates all these kids trying to be Steph Curry (no surprise there). But then I asked his thoughts on analytics and he basically felt it was a way for “folks” to make money off of the NBA. Since there’s no cap on how much the front office can spend on non-players, he may not be wrong.

Look at the Dodgers. Analytics can only take you so far. Sometimes you need to go with common rather what the numbers say. It cost them at least one World Series.


Thanks for that. I had successfully blocked this out over the past month.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:
MJST wrote:
Runway8 wrote:
I think we got proven scorers -- Kyle Kuzma, Brandon Ingram --

His truth is a little optimistic.


They're the only semi scorers of the young core he has left, he got rid of the other two that were actual scorers, which is why his statement looks silly.

D'Angelo Russell is averaging 17.6 points on only 41% shooting, and he's hitting only 44% of his 2-pointers. How is he a proven scorer?


He is a proven scorer because he was let go by the Lakers. When they do it somewhere else, they have proved their worth and shown the ineptness of our current FO.

On the other hand, if that pulled these same numbers, the same so called fans would be calling for their heads and pointing out the inept inability of our FO to do something with them?

Personally, don't really dislike Randle, think he is a decent player, though honestly, don't see him contributing to a winning environment yet. Don't hate DLO, but his clowning with Young and others was not a good vibe for this team.

And the bottom line is, THEY AREN'T LAKERS ANYMORE!! If anyone around here wants to continue to talk and talk about them, they should quit posting on Lakersground and become a fan of the team their favorite player plays on!! Go there and post this boring crap, they AREN'T Lakers anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject:

To any fan who thought bringing one of the league's top five players (such as LeBron) here would insulate Magic Johnson from criticism for a year, think again.

To any fan who thought this year's Laker team would be the first LeBron James-led NBA team to not submit to his obvious influence and impact on the W-L record, think again.

To any fan who is not enjoying the immediacy of the turnaround in the winning percentage and is refusing to acknowledge Magic's role in restoring the look of a winning culture to this franchise, please wake up and enjoy something.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:13 am    Post subject:

Wilkes52 wrote:
To any fan who thought bringing one of the league's top five players (such as LeBron) here would insulate Magic Johnson from criticism for a year, think again.

To any fan who thought this year's Laker team would be the first LeBron James-led NBA team to not submit to his obvious influence and impact on the W-L record, think again.

To any fan who is not enjoying the immediacy of the turnaround in the winning percentage and is refusing to acknowledge Magic's role in restoring the look of a winning culture to this franchise, please wake up and enjoy something.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:20 pm    Post subject:

Wilkes52 wrote:
To any fan who thought bringing one of the league's top five players (such as LeBron) here would insulate Magic Johnson from criticism for a year, think again.

To any fan who thought this year's Laker team would be the first LeBron James-led NBA team to not submit to his obvious influence and impact on the W-L record, think again.

To any fan who is not enjoying the immediacy of the turnaround in the winning percentage and is refusing to acknowledge Magic's role in restoring the look of a winning culture to this franchise, please wake up and enjoy something.


This is fair. I wish you could teach 999 how to compose posts like this, but I wouldn't wanna put that kind of stress on you.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject:

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The hate towards Magic by some on this board is MIND BOGGLING. The man has put us on the map for the 2nd time in his career (once as a player, and now as an executive). He wants to make sure of a few things. Keep LJ's minutes down. He saw what happens (a la KB) when an older player is overused which opens them up to injuries. Magic also does not want LJ to work as hard for scores (we know he doesn't work hard on D). Both the Lakers and LJ said they did not want to run the offense through him as much as teams have in the past. I 100% agree with this. There are a ton of challenges for both the players and Luke as they have to alter their game or coaching because of LJ. The last things we need is a ball dominant LJ who will take the flow out of the game and stifle our kids. We have all played ball with a ball dominant player. It blows and takes everyone out of the game.


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