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Is it really success without championships?
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Is it really success without championships? |
Past 5 years they have certainly hung more "made 1st round of playoffs" banners than us for certain. 
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Is it really success without championships? |
So do we care about winning regular season games at all or nah? |
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| I think final four for most franchises can be considered success. Obviously for the Lakers that is like kissing your sister. But for a team like the Clippers, it would be the peak of their promo DVD......except they've never made it that far. |
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Mike@LG
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Is it really success without championships? |
So do we care about winning regular season games at all or nah? |
Not really if you see it as a cyclical process.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Is it really success without championships? |
So do we care about winning regular season games at all or nah? |
Not really if you see it as a cyclical process. |
I would argue that looking at it as a cyclical process is limited thinking.
We ought to look at it as an iterative process.
Losing in the NBA finals game 7 is not the same, and should not be valued the same, as a 10-win season. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | ahaider wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | cital wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | Because as fans we overrate our young guys. Also Doc is a much better motivator and coach than Luke. |
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Doc is a good coach
Actually most people here don't overrate the guys - it's rather their patience doesn't align with their development |
Either way, at this point, Doc is a better coach than Luke. |
Not really, I'd rather have Luke as the HC than Doc. Doc benefits from significantly better assistant coaches than Luke and I think that's why you perceive Doc to be better.
I believe Luke is much more adept and in tune with the current and future generations of basketball players than Doc. The only thing I respect about Doc is his ability to hire some pretty solid assistants.
It's funny how this thread completely ignores his blatant nepotism with Austin Rivers that led to unnecessary internal turmoil within the Clippers. He gifted his son with a contract no team would give him.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| ahaider wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | ahaider wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | | cital wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | Because as fans we overrate our young guys. Also Doc is a much better motivator and coach than Luke. |
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Doc is a good coach
Actually most people here don't overrate the guys - it's rather their patience doesn't align with their development |
Either way, at this point, Doc is a better coach than Luke. |
Not really, I'd rather have Luke as the HC than Doc. Doc benefits from significantly better assistant coaches than Luke and I think that's why you perceive Doc to be better.
I believe Luke is much more adept and in tune with the current and future generations of basketball players than Doc. The only thing I respect about Doc is his ability to hire some pretty solid assistants.
It's funny how this thread completely ignores his blatant nepotism with Austin Rivers that led to unnecessary internal turmoil within the Clippers. He gifted his son with a contract no team would give him. |
Attracting / hiring assistants is on Luke. It's part of his head coaching abilities. |
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Mike@LG
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Is it really success without championships? |
So do we care about winning regular season games at all or nah? |
Not really if you see it as a cyclical process. |
I would argue that looking at it as a cyclical process is limited thinking.
We ought to look at it as an iterative process.
Losing in the NBA finals game 7 is not the same, and should not be valued the same, as a 10-win season. |
Do we have to look at it as an iterative process? If my bar for the team is championships, then, the Clippers are still non-existent to me. Kind of like the Kings, the Wolves, etc. Clippers improved. Yay. How long does that last?
The Lakers have been improving too.
What do the Clippers have to show for their success?
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | Is it really success without championships? |
So do we care about winning regular season games at all or nah? |
Not really if you see it as a cyclical process. |
I would argue that looking at it as a cyclical process is limited thinking.
We ought to look at it as an iterative process.
Losing in the NBA finals game 7 is not the same, and should not be valued the same, as a 10-win season. |
Do we have to look at it as an iterative process? If my bar for the team is championships, then, the Clippers are still non-existent to me. Kind of like the Kings, the Wolves, etc. Clippers improved. Yay. How long does that last?
The Lakers have been improving too.
What do the Clippers have to show for their success? |
Well, no I'm not saying you have to do that. I was just saying I think it limits the thinking and discussion if you look at nothing other than championship success.
For instance, where you are in the iterative process dictates what changes need to be made in order to take that next iterative step.
If the Kings make the NBA Finals and lose, and the Warriors miss the playoffs, I wouldn't say those are comparable levels of success (or failure). |
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| because Jim, Moz-deng, poor coaching hires, not getting any assets for Kobe or Pau or Dwight, striking out with top lottery picks. |
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I mean the real answer to OP's question is David Stern tbh.
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| PHILosophize wrote: | | I mean the real answer to OP's question is David Stern tbh. |
Definitely. That the whole reason right there. The CP3 veto set us back and set them up. |
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markjay
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Clips just lost to Dallas — without Doncic.
In fact, Clips, Memphis, Portland, and Utah all lost today  . |
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| Yup no more ez schedule |
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chantruong
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| Lakers > Mavs > Clippers |
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Um, yeah it is an 'iterative' process I guess - Lakers are improving a lot faster than the Clippers, and a quarter of the way through the season, the Clippers happen to be 2 games ahead of us after a 9-1 hot streak. Don't expect this year's Clippers team to have an edge in the playoffs against any team with LeBron James on it. He's a different creature in the playoffs.
Sorry, I just don't have enough energy, imagination, or self-pity to convince myself that the Clippers are a team to envy. |
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| markjay wrote: | Clips just lost to Dallas — without Doncic.
In fact, Clips, Memphis, Portland, and Utah all lost today . |
That's great, but they need to strive to that point where they're not dependent on others losing. Just keep taking care of bid-ness. |
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| KOBE WAN wrote: | | PHILosophize wrote: | | I mean the real answer to OP's question is David Stern tbh. |
Definitely. That the whole reason right there. The CP3 veto set us back and set them up. |
Duh, can't believe I didn't think of this response on the first page.
An intentional move to prop them up, and bring us down.
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I don't know if I'm just being hard headed or what but I severely doubt the Clippers hold up this pace. I'm not just talking about the 1 seed, it's obvious they aren't going to finish the 1 seed but I don't see them as a playoff squad or if they are I see them as just making it in.
They're hot right now and playing together well but this all smacks of the Kings hype early in the season. They have 2 players shooting over 45% from 3. Nothing about their current success seems sustainable to me. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| chantruong wrote: | | Lakers > Mavs > Clippers |
The math checks out... |
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mixtim
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: |
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The 2015 playoffs collapse perfectly defines how succesful the Clippers have been these past years
Yes,succesful,because after all they were playing the conference semifinals,wich is the best they ever reached |
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