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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:39 pm Post subject:
Sentient Meat wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Sentient Meat wrote:
How would you guys describe the pros and cons comparing Bol Bol to Porzingis?
I wouldn't really. Bol Bol's skills are all or nothing, like Lonzo in PnR vs. Lonzo's transition passing.
The difference for me is, Bol Bol doesn't have Porzingis's twitch. Just a hyper smooth athlete that might trip over his own feet. Terrible man-defender (who does he actually defend next level?) but could be a stud help defender, push the break, and make transition 3s. What do you do with that?
Then you come across the potential health issues with players of that height/length combination and don't seem to have great lower base for their frames...
So you are saying he's like a Great Dane or Ralph Sampson?
Good for about 5 years...
Ralph Sampson had a motivation issues, and actually had some twitch/strength. Unlike Bol, he stayed in college. He actually played a front line position on both ends.
Like, the good news is, Bol Bol has some guard skills.
The bad news is, he's a 7'2" 200lb guy that defends like a guard. Can't change direction. Can't commit laterally more than 2 steps. Can't sit down. Can't handle a screen. Can't box out.
So what can he do?
Defend shot attempts. He effectively needs to play zone by himself. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
How would you guys describe the pros and cons comparing Bol Bol to Porzingis?
I wouldn't really. Bol Bol's skills are all or nothing, like Lonzo in PnR vs. Lonzo's transition passing.
The difference for me is, Bol Bol doesn't have Porzingis's twitch. Just a hyper smooth athlete that might trip over his own feet. Terrible man-defender (who does he actually defend next level?) but could be a stud help defender, push the break, and make transition 3s. What do you do with that?
Then you come across the potential health issues with players of that height/length combination and don't seem to have great lower base for their frames...
So you are saying he's like a Great Dane or Ralph Sampson?
Good for about 5 years...
Ralph Sampson had a motivation issues, and actually had some twitch/strength. Unlike Bol, he stayed in college. He actually played a front line position on both ends.
Like, the good news is, Bol Bol has some guard skills.
The bad news is, he's a 7'2" 200lb guy that defends like a guard. Can't change direction. Can't commit laterally more than 2 steps. Can't sit down. Can't handle a screen. Can't box out.
So what can he do?
Defend shot attempts. He effectively needs to play zone by himself.
I see... well, thanks for the insight as always.
I'll try to watch him if I see one of games coming up.
How would you guys describe the pros and cons comparing Bol Bol to Porzingis?
I wouldn't really. Bol Bol's skills are all or nothing, like Lonzo in PnR vs. Lonzo's transition passing.
The difference for me is, Bol Bol doesn't have Porzingis's twitch. Just a hyper smooth athlete that might trip over his own feet. Terrible man-defender (who does he actually defend next level?) but could be a stud help defender, push the break, and make transition 3s. What do you do with that?
Then you come across the potential health issues with players of that height/length combination and don't seem to have great lower base for their frames...
So you are saying he's like a Great Dane or Ralph Sampson?
Good for about 5 years...
Ralph Sampson had a motivation issues, and actually had some twitch/strength. Unlike Bol, he stayed in college. He actually played a front line position on both ends.
Like, the good news is, Bol Bol has some guard skills.
The bad news is, he's a 7'2" 200lb guy that defends like a guard. Can't change direction. Can't commit laterally more than 2 steps. Can't sit down. Can't handle a screen. Can't box out.
So what can he do?
Defend shot attempts. He effectively needs to play zone by himself.
Man, I see Ingram's improved movement and explosiveness from his time at Duke, JJJ and Bamba looking more fluid in the NBA already, etc., and I'm willing to wait to see how Bol physically progresses up through the draft and if he can get more comfortable in his body against college competition. _________________ Under New Management
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject:
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10 RPG isn't too shabby for a weakling either.
How hard is it when your reach is 9'6" and playing at the NCAA level?
I think that all disappears next level. How's Porzingis's rebounding pre-injury?
11 to 12%. Good. For a guard.
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Man, I see Ingram's improved movement and explosiveness from his time at Duke, JJJ and Bamba looking more fluid in the NBA already, etc., and I'm willing to wait to see how Bol physically progresses up through the draft and if he can get more comfortable in his body against college competition.
I think he's gone in the lottery so he was never an option for LAL. But JJJ and Bamba didn't have his specific athleticism issues at all. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
UNC's Coby White would be an intriguing option as a mid-1st pick. He has a Svi wingspan at 6'5 and his vision is lacking for an NBA starting PG, but he's one of the best pure scorers in CBB as a freshman, and would be a better fit on the Lakers than most teams since he could play next to bigger playmakers. _________________ Under New Management
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:59 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
UNC's Coby White would be an intriguing option as a mid-1st pick. He has a Svi wingspan at 6'5 and his vision is lacking for an NBA starting PG, but he's one of the best pure scorers in CBB as a freshman, and would be a better fit on the Lakers than most teams since he could play next to bigger playmakers.
I was all about Charles Matthews as a later pick. He doesn't have range because he doesn't have the strength and the shot is flat, but that guy has NBA level offensive dribble moves and it looks natural as hell.
And he shut down my guy Cam Johnson. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:03 pm Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
UNC's Coby White would be an intriguing option as a mid-1st pick. He has a Svi wingspan at 6'5 and his vision is lacking for an NBA starting PG, but he's one of the best pure scorers in CBB as a freshman, and would be a better fit on the Lakers than most teams since he could play next to bigger playmakers.
I was all about Charles Matthews as a later pick. He doesn't have range because he doesn't have the strength and the shot is flat, but that guy has NBA level offensive dribble moves and it looks natural as hell.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:00 pm Post subject:
not sure if anyone took advantage of the wisdom I dispersed earlier in the thread about keeping an eye on Dylan Windler (Belmont). If not, be sure to check him out....been a little up and down, but dropped 31 points and 8 rebounds last night....averaging 20 PPG and 8 RPG as a 6'8" Wing. I think he would be a great pickup late 1st or 2nd Round in the draft. Belmont plays at UCLA on 12/15.
not sure if anyone took advantage of the wisdom I dispersed earlier in the thread about keeping an eye on Dylan Windler (Belmont). If not, be sure to check him out....been a little up and down, but dropped 31 points and 8 rebounds last night....averaging 20 PPG and 8 RPG as a 6'8" Wing. I think he would be a great pickup late 1st or 2nd Round in the draft. Belmont plays at UCLA on 12/15.
Sam Vecenie has a nice scouting report on him if you're an Athletic subscriber. _________________ Under New Management
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:35 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
adkindo wrote:
not sure if anyone took advantage of the wisdom I dispersed earlier in the thread about keeping an eye on Dylan Windler (Belmont). If not, be sure to check him out....been a little up and down, but dropped 31 points and 8 rebounds last night....averaging 20 PPG and 8 RPG as a 6'8" Wing. I think he would be a great pickup late 1st or 2nd Round in the draft. Belmont plays at UCLA on 12/15.
Sam Vecenie has a nice scouting report on him if you're an Athletic subscriber.
cool....he has not got very deep into the draft on his podcasts yet....I assume that he will in the new year. I do not listen to all of them, but usually read the descriptions and he has been more NBA focused lately. Hopeful the Stepien podcasts return soon.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:04 am Post subject:
Ponds out here putting on a show. Starting to like him with a pick in the 20s. Smaller pg who can score, good compliment to Lonzo.
Who was it who was on him last season? _________________ We pour this booze and we drink this booze because we think it's yummy. YUMMY! So over the tounge and down the throat to party in our tummys.
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Any interest in Gonzaga junior PF Brandon Clarke? He's another 6'9 PF for a franchise that loves to draft them, but he blends LNJ's vertical hops, quick hands, and defensive awareness with some of Julius' handle and transition playmaking with some of Kuz's midrange floater game. But where he really shines is as an instinctual weakside shotblocker.
Here's some tape of him against Duke from last week:
Obviously Clarke doesn't have a lot of positives signs as a shooter - he's never hit more than 58% of his FTs in any of his three college seasons and he's a low volume 3pt shooter who only really shoots when wide open. Not to mention he has a funky release and shoots with little arc. The other issue will be how he holds up against NBA bigs and how much strength he can add to his frame - his value goes up immensely as a small ball C, but will he even be able to hold up even against Draymond or PJ Tucker in the post and on the glass?
I'm intrigued, though, because he seems Jordan Bell-ish with better length, handle, and passing vision, and I'd love Jordan Bell on the Lakers rn. _________________ Under New Management
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not sure if anyone took advantage of the wisdom I dispersed earlier in the thread about keeping an eye on Dylan Windler (Belmont). If not, be sure to check him out....been a little up and down, but dropped 31 points and 8 rebounds last night....averaging 20 PPG and 8 RPG as a 6'8" Wing. I think he would be a great pickup late 1st or 2nd Round in the draft. Belmont plays at UCLA on 12/15.
Sam Vecenie has a nice scouting report on him if you're an Athletic subscriber.
cool....he has not got very deep into the draft on his podcasts yet....I assume that he will in the new year. I do not listen to all of them, but usually read the descriptions and he has been more NBA focused lately. Hopeful the Stepien podcasts return soon.
Any interest in Gonzaga junior PF Brandon Clarke? He's another 6'9 PF for a franchise that loves to draft them, but he blends LNJ's vertical hops, quick hands, and defensive awareness with some of Julius' handle and transition playmaking with some of Kuz's midrange floater game. But where he really shines is as an instinctual weakside shotblocker.
Here's some tape of him against Duke from last week:
Obviously Clarke doesn't have a lot of positives signs as a shooter - he's never hit more than 58% of his FTs in any of his three college seasons and he's a low volume 3pt shooter who only really shoots when wide open. Not to mention he has a funky release and shoots with little arc. The other issue will be how he holds up against NBA bigs and how much strength he can add to his frame - his value goes up immensely as a small ball C, but will he even be able to hold up even against Draymond or PJ Tucker in the post and on the glass?
I'm intrigued, though, because he seems Jordan Bell-ish with better length, handle, and passing vision, and I'd love Jordan Bell on the Lakers rn.
He is a nice player and was very active on both ends against Duke. I feel your LNJ comparison is spot on but did not look 6'9" to me.
Does not have the natural size/strength of Bell and might be too small as a small ball center.
Does he bring more to the court than Jonathan Williams"?
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:02 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Any interest in Gonzaga junior PF Brandon Clarke? He's another 6'9 PF for a franchise that loves to draft them, but he blends LNJ's vertical hops, quick hands, and defensive awareness with some of Julius' handle and transition playmaking with some of Kuz's midrange floater game. But where he really shines is as an instinctual weakside shotblocker.
Here's some tape of him against Duke from last week:
Obviously Clarke doesn't have a lot of positives signs as a shooter - he's never hit more than 58% of his FTs in any of his three college seasons and he's a low volume 3pt shooter who only really shoots when wide open. Not to mention he has a funky release and shoots with little arc. The other issue will be how he holds up against NBA bigs and how much strength he can add to his frame - his value goes up immensely as a small ball C, but will he even be able to hold up even against Draymond or PJ Tucker in the post and on the glass?
I'm intrigued, though, because he seems Jordan Bell-ish with better length, handle, and passing vision, and I'd love Jordan Bell on the Lakers rn.
Absolutely. I had posted in the page before that I may prefer him over Konate.
Dude completely changed his shot too. He's so much stronger than he shows. He doesn't really have a position. He just defends big and is potentially switchable (though he got beaten a few times today along the perimeter).
He finishes, has a clue on drive/kick from 20' out, and is actually willing to shoot. Positionless. It is like a different version of Jordan Bell. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Any interest in Gonzaga junior PF Brandon Clarke? He's another 6'9 PF for a franchise that loves to draft them, but he blends LNJ's vertical hops, quick hands, and defensive awareness with some of Julius' handle and transition playmaking with some of Kuz's midrange floater game. But where he really shines is as an instinctual weakside shotblocker.
Here's some tape of him against Duke from last week:
Obviously Clarke doesn't have a lot of positives signs as a shooter - he's never hit more than 58% of his FTs in any of his three college seasons and he's a low volume 3pt shooter who only really shoots when wide open. Not to mention he has a funky release and shoots with little arc. The other issue will be how he holds up against NBA bigs and how much strength he can add to his frame - his value goes up immensely as a small ball C, but will he even be able to hold up even against Draymond or PJ Tucker in the post and on the glass?
I'm intrigued, though, because he seems Jordan Bell-ish with better length, handle, and passing vision, and I'd love Jordan Bell on the Lakers rn.
Absolutely. I had posted in the page before that I may prefer him over Konate.
Dude completely changed his shot too. He's so much stronger than he shows. He doesn't really have a position. He just defends big and is potentially switchable (though he got beaten a few times today along the perimeter).
He finishes, has a clue on drive/kick from 20' out, and is actually willing to shoot. Positionless. It is like a different version of Jordan Bell.
Positionless. That is my concern with Clarke. Don't feel he fits any position given his current skill set, athleticism and size.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject:
Miye Oni -
Approx 6’7” w 7’ wingspan. Sleeper pick out of Yale. Has shown PnR abilities and flashed crosscourt passing. Change of direction into straight line drive. Takes wide path before attacking straight line. More offensive responsibility this season. Severely lacks in stocks %, Yale isn’t a strong defensive team overall.
Very good athlete, explosive to the rim when going downhill. 41% arc shooter on nearly 6 attempts per game. Big jump in TO% (24.5!) due to added offensive responsibilities.
Soft touch around the glass 5’ and in. Prevalent drive right, capable drive left. Flashes Eurostep, in/out, crossover. Doesn’t change speed. VERY underrated passer, especially in PnR situations. Not a ball-dominant player. Minimal touch time in a halfcourt set unless his number is called. Athleticism shows with shot contests, not stocks %. Like watching Jarrett Culver with additional burst, but not the timing of his PnR passes. Makes the correct reads. Taller Alec Burks? _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:54 pm Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
Miye Oni -
Approx 6’7” w 7’ wingspan. Sleeper pick out of Yale. Has shown PnR abilities and flashed crosscourt passing. Change of direction into straight line drive. Takes wide path before attacking straight line. More offensive responsibility this season. Severely lacks in stocks %, Yale isn’t a strong defensive team overall.
Very good athlete, explosive to the rim when going downhill. 41% arc shooter on nearly 6 attempts per game. Big jump in TO% (24.5!) due to added offensive responsibilities.
Soft touch around the glass 5’ and in. Prevalent drive right, capable drive left. Flashes Eurostep, in/out, crossover. Doesn’t change speed. VERY underrated passer, especially in PnR situations. Not a ball-dominant player. Minimal touch time in a halfcourt set unless his number is called. Athleticism shows with shot contests, not stocks %. Like watching Jarrett Culver with additional burst, but not the timing of his PnR passes. Makes the correct reads. Taller Alec Burks?
Looks very athletic in the highlight tape. Good size. Intriguing tbh.
But would an Ivy League guy leave school early? _________________ We pour this booze and we drink this booze because we think it's yummy. YUMMY! So over the tounge and down the throat to party in our tummys.
DOWN THE HOLA BITC*OLA!!!
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:55 pm Post subject:
PartyMan wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Miye Oni -
Approx 6’7” w 7’ wingspan. Sleeper pick out of Yale. Has shown PnR abilities and flashed crosscourt passing. Change of direction into straight line drive. Takes wide path before attacking straight line. More offensive responsibility this season. Severely lacks in stocks %, Yale isn’t a strong defensive team overall.
Very good athlete, explosive to the rim when going downhill. 41% arc shooter on nearly 6 attempts per game. Big jump in TO% (24.5!) due to added offensive responsibilities.
Soft touch around the glass 5’ and in. Prevalent drive right, capable drive left. Flashes Eurostep, in/out, crossover. Doesn’t change speed. VERY underrated passer, especially in PnR situations. Not a ball-dominant player. Minimal touch time in a halfcourt set unless his number is called. Athleticism shows with shot contests, not stocks %. Like watching Jarrett Culver with additional burst, but not the timing of his PnR passes. Makes the correct reads. Taller Alec Burks?
Looks very athletic in the highlight tape. Good size. Intriguing tbh.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:08 pm Post subject:
Mike@LG wrote:
PartyMan wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Miye Oni -
Approx 6’7” w 7’ wingspan. Sleeper pick out of Yale. Has shown PnR abilities and flashed crosscourt passing. Change of direction into straight line drive. Takes wide path before attacking straight line. More offensive responsibility this season. Severely lacks in stocks %, Yale isn’t a strong defensive team overall.
Very good athlete, explosive to the rim when going downhill. 41% arc shooter on nearly 6 attempts per game. Big jump in TO% (24.5!) due to added offensive responsibilities.
Soft touch around the glass 5’ and in. Prevalent drive right, capable drive left. Flashes Eurostep, in/out, crossover. Doesn’t change speed. VERY underrated passer, especially in PnR situations. Not a ball-dominant player. Minimal touch time in a halfcourt set unless his number is called. Athleticism shows with shot contests, not stocks %. Like watching Jarrett Culver with additional burst, but not the timing of his PnR passes. Makes the correct reads. Taller Alec Burks?
Looks very athletic in the highlight tape. Good size. Intriguing tbh.
But would an Ivy League guy leave school early?
Junior?
I just assumed (perhaps ignorantly) those guys would want to graduate first. _________________ We pour this booze and we drink this booze because we think it's yummy. YUMMY! So over the tounge and down the throat to party in our tummys.
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