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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:16 pm    Post subject:

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Morey has been a savvy GM for a long time. His recent moves have been hard to swallow. I wonder whether the new owner is driving some of this.

Dreamshake said that Carmelo couldn't be worse than Ryan Anderson. Carmelo said "Hold my beer."


He hasn't bene worse than Ryan Anderson. The team is struggling as a whole. That's not on Melo. Now if the rumors are true about him not wanting to lose minutes to the undrafted rookie Gary Clark, then that's 100% on Melo.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:17 pm    Post subject:

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What's wrong with the Rockets? 4-7 after having been 65-17 last year.


Combo of:

1) Injuries to Harden and Ennis
2) Suspension of CP3
3) Subpar offense from almost everyone
4) Loss of the defensive coach before training camp, combined with the leagues new rule on switching defense
5) Loss of Ariza and Luc
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject:

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Houston has given up 111 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor this season. That is exactly equal to the 29th ranked defense in basketball last season, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/Article/Carmelo-Anthony-Lakers-124621005/Amp/


The defense has been bad without Melo as well. He's not a scapegoat for our troubles.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:20 am    Post subject:

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The defense has been bad without Melo as well. He's not a scapegoat for our troubles.



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The Rockets have a -11.1 net rating in Anthony’s 294 minutes. That’s the worst net rating on the team after Zhou Qi, who has only played one minute, and Michael Carter-Williams (-19.0) who has been jettisoned entirely from the rotation. The Rockets have a 102.0 offensive rating with Anthony on and a 103.9 offensive rating with Anthony off; their defensive rating with Anthony on has been 111.0, and their defensive rating with Anthony off has been 101.9. The numbers meet the eye test. Teams have attacked Anthony in isolation, and he’s been weak helping out in rotation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rahathuq/2018/11/12/while-rookie-gary-clark-shines-carmelo-anthonys-future-with-houston-remains-uncertain/amp/


If he doesn’t want people blaming him then why doesn’t he step up his play? I don’t think “others are struggling too” is a good excuse.

With Anthony on the bench, the Rockets defense is allowing fewer points per 100 possessions than they allowed last year when they ranked 6th in the league.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:37 am    Post subject:

Dreamshake wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
What's wrong with the Rockets? 4-7 after having been 65-17 last year.


Combo of:


1) Injuries to Harden and Ennis
2) Suspension of CP3
3) Subpar offense from almost everyone
4) Loss of the defensive coach before training camp, combined with the leagues new rule on switching defense
5) Loss of Ariza and Luc
6) Melo has been horrible


Fixed it for ya.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:45 am    Post subject:

Steve007 wrote:
Dreamshake wrote:
The defense has been bad without Melo as well. He's not a scapegoat for our troubles.



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The Rockets have a -11.1 net rating in Anthony’s 294 minutes. That’s the worst net rating on the team after Zhou Qi, who has only played one minute, and Michael Carter-Williams (-19.0) who has been jettisoned entirely from the rotation. The Rockets have a 102.0 offensive rating with Anthony on and a 103.9 offensive rating with Anthony off; their defensive rating with Anthony on has been 111.0, and their defensive rating with Anthony off has been 101.9. The numbers meet the eye test. Teams have attacked Anthony in isolation, and he’s been weak helping out in rotation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rahathuq/2018/11/12/while-rookie-gary-clark-shines-carmelo-anthonys-future-with-houston-remains-uncertain/amp/


If he doesn’t want people blaming him then why doesn’t he step up his play? I don’t think “others are struggling too” is a good excuse.


He might not have much upside Ieft.

* Age
*. Good but not great conditoning
* Heart not in it because he isn't the focal point like he used to be in NY

Could all be things that are limiting what he does on the court.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject:

Steve007 wrote:
Dreamshake wrote:
The defense has been bad without Melo as well. He's not a scapegoat for our troubles.



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The Rockets have a -11.1 net rating in Anthony’s 294 minutes. That’s the worst net rating on the team after Zhou Qi, who has only played one minute, and Michael Carter-Williams (-19.0) who has been jettisoned entirely from the rotation. The Rockets have a 102.0 offensive rating with Anthony on and a 103.9 offensive rating with Anthony off; their defensive rating with Anthony on has been 111.0, and their defensive rating with Anthony off has been 101.9. The numbers meet the eye test. Teams have attacked Anthony in isolation, and he’s been weak helping out in rotation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rahathuq/2018/11/12/while-rookie-gary-clark-shines-carmelo-anthonys-future-with-houston-remains-uncertain/amp/


If he doesn’t want people blaming him then why doesn’t he step up his play? I don’t think “others are struggling too” is a good excuse.

With Anthony on the bench, the Rockets defense is allowing fewer points per 100 possessions than they allowed last year when they ranked 6th in the league.


As of Sunday:

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NETRTG

Melo - 9.0
Capela - 7.0
Tucker - 6.3
CP3 - 6.1
Harden - 5.4
Clark - 5.0
Ennis - 4.3
Gordon - 3.9


And these stats here:

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http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/25252265/kevin-pelton-houston-rockets-carmelo-anthony

Naturally, over such a small sample this can't be attributed solely to Anthony. The Rockets have been even worse defensively (122.5 points per 100 possessions) with Michael Carter-Williams on the court, for example, and they teamed up for about a quarter of Melo's minutes.

Surprisingly, Second Spectrum tracking suggests Anthony's ability to switch in Houston's preferred defensive scheme hasn't really been an issue. The Rockets have allowed more points per chance on switches with Melo on the bench (1.0 points per chance) than on the court (0.93), and that figure drops all the way to 0.87 points per chance when Anthony was defending the screener -- better than highly regarded switch defender P.J. Tucker (1.04 points per chance).

In all likelihood, the samples are too small (Anthony switched while defending the screener 78 times) to draw any meaningful conclusions, but Anthony getting roasted on switches wasn't the reason Houston struggled defensively during his minutes. Instead, the Rockets fouled more frequently, forced fewer turnovers and were less effective on the defensive glass.


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If he doesn’t want people blaming him then why doesn’t he step up his play? I don’t think “others are struggling too” is a good excuse.


Who said anything about Melo not wanting folks to blame him? I don't think anyone has him on record on these rumors about wanting to leave the team. If you believe the internets, it's something personal or him having a issue with an undrafted rookie taking his minutes, or both.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject:

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NETRTG

Melo - 9.0
Capela - 7.0
Tucker - 6.3
CP3 - 6.1
Harden - 5.4
Clark - 5.0
Ennis - 4.3
Gordon - 3.9


Not really sure what the point is. If you’re trying to point out that others are struggling too, is that relevant? It’s like pointing out a guy is shooting 40% from the line and having someone respond with a comment like “But look at this list of guys shooting 50% from the line!” Should we suddenly be more lenient with the guy shooting 40% on his free throws because of the irrelevant fact his teammates have struggled too? Of course not. 40% is 40% regardless of how your teammates are shooting.

Edit: I guess you’re trying to say there is more to the Rockets struggles than just Carmelo. Sure I’ll agree with that.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject:

Houston won their last 2 handily without Melo. I don't think they can get back to what they were doing last year. Ariza's defense is missing. Plus his 3 point shooting.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject:

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In all likelihood, the samples are too small (Anthony switched while defending the screener 78 times) to draw any meaningful conclusions, but Anthony getting roasted on switches wasn't the reason Houston struggled defensively during his minutes. Instead, the Rockets fouled more frequently, forced fewer turnovers and were less effective on the defensive glass.


I don’t think that makes him look good either. And one reason people are bringing up the numbers is he stunk defensively last year too, and he is clearly aging.

His teammates in OKC don’t seem to think much of him as a defender.

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Russell Westbrook, who wasn’t in uniform, was shown repeatedly screaming “MOVE!” and maniacally motioning for everyone to clear out like a train conductor warning people on the tracks. Westbrook wanted Steven Adams to get Anthony on an island in the post.

The Thunder followed Westbrook’s command as Adams caught the pass from Schroder, backed down Anthony a few times and got a clear look at the basket. Adams missed, but the point was made. Westbrook was seen giggling in delight with the rest of the Thunder’s reserves as his former teammate was singled out over and over again in the post, in isolations and on pick-and-rolls.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/carmelo-anthony-stuck-middle-rockets-problems


Also in that article:

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Anthony has five assists in 294 minutes, or one out of every 59 minutes on the floor, giving him one of the lowest assist rates in NBA history for a non-center.

That kind of ball-stopping might be acceptable if he made winning contributions in other areas of the floor. But that’s never been Anthony’s game. For instance, Al-Farouq Aminu almost never collects an assist, but his rebound and steal numbers are almost double that of Anthony’s, not to mention he’s vastly more efficient from the floor. Anthony misses more shots per game (7.2) than Aminu actually takes (6.8).


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Anthony has played with Paul-Harden duo on just 37 of his 294 total minutes this season, a tiny portion of just 12 percent.


I don’t understand this. I thought Paul was supposed to help turn him into Olympic Melo. If the Rockets don’t want to play him with Paul, it’s expected that he would have a tougher time.

I keep seeing comments about him being a scapegoat, and I’ll just quote a Rockets fan on this:

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They aren't scapegoating him. It hasn't worked out. Gary Clark has outplayed him and deserves his minutes. It's in the best interest of all parties to move on. The rockets have been very clear that they don't blame Melo. More had a press conference today just to defend him. The rockets can play the guys who help them more, and Melo can get minutes elsewhere


Hmm, maybe this answers my question.

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Harden-Paul-Clark: +22.1 per 100 possessions

Harden-Paul-Melo: -16.9 per 100 possessions



https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1766264
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject:

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Edit: I guess you’re trying to say there is more to the Rockets struggles than just Carmelo. Sure I’ll agree with that.


Correct. I never said Melo was balling, but he's not the scapegoat for our struggles so far. But if he has an issue with a reduced role, or whatever, then he can go. At a minimum salary he was worth the shot.

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Anthony has played with Paul-Harden duo on just 37 of his 294 total minutes this season, a tiny portion of just 12 percent.


CP3 got suspended and Harden had a hammy injury. Harden is the weaker defender, so it's better to have Melo on the court alongside CP3, especially if he's coming off the bench. We stagger the minutes for Harden/CP3.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:16 pm    Post subject:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25287539/carmelo-anthony-parts-ways-rockets-playing-10-games

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject:

Carmelo Anthony’s Rockets career is over after 10 games. How did this happen?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:06 pm    Post subject:

Morey gets away without a blame? Being a media darling must be sweet.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject:

Palin wrote:
Morey gets away without a blame? Being a media darling must be sweet.


Naw, he has gotten some flak about the moves he made this summer. It's just that when you've made a lot of good moves over a period of time, you're going to get cut some slack when you screw one up.

Also, a number of my friends who are Rocket fans were just as delusional about Carmelo as Dreamshake. Like DS, they thought that Carmelo would be better than Ryan Anderson. Like DS, they are still in denial. But this limits their ability to throw stones at Morey.

Let's be honest here -- if we had signed Carmelo last summer, there would have been a cadre of people on this board talking about what a brilliant signing it was. They'd probably be blaming his ineptitude on Luke's rotations or something.
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