How likely is it that both Hart and Kuzma will become better players than Lonzo?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject:

lonzobryant wrote:
I'm starting to think Lonzo won't reach his ceiling until he has a change of scenery. I don't think our roster fits him. He needs to be on a team like Orlando.


It's gotta be mental for him. He's got so much upside and we can all see it. Affects all facets of the game but sometimes he just "not there".
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject:

Check back in two years.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject:

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Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players.


Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star


That’s the problem with the game today. People don’t care about rebounds, defense, or passion anymore apparently.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject:

Luminous8 wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
RusselDoeee01 wrote:
Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players.


Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star


That’s the problem with the game today. People don’t care about rebounds, defense, or passion anymore apparently.
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I always thought Zo would become a Mini-Lebron. Now I’ll settle for a slightly smaller, faster, non-vocal Draymond Green.

I do think he was playing well last night though.


I think Zo's upside is Jason Kidd. Neither were or will be great shooters or scorers, but great passers and good to great rebounders and defenders.
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pio2u wrote:
Check back in two years.


Sadly, Magic doesn't have two years and I'm afraid he will pull the trigger in trading some of the young core.

He wants to win now vs. young player development. No patience imo. Let the kids develop organically.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:54 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
RusselDoeee01 wrote:
Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players.


Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star


I wouldn't agree with that. Averaging 22 or 23 points per game isn't a rubber stamp to being an All-Star. There are lots of guys who have averaged 23 points in a season without making the All-Star team.

Right now, kuz isn't close to being an All-Star
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:15 pm    Post subject:

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LongBeachPoly wrote:
RusselDoeee01 wrote:
Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players.


Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star


I wouldn't agree with that. Averaging 22 or 23 points per game isn't a rubber stamp to being an All-Star. There are lots of guys who have averaged 23 points in a season without making the All-Star team.

Right now, kuz isn't close to being an All-Star


Anyone ever do that on the Lakers? Lakers fans will inflate votes.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:58 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
RusselDoeee01 wrote:
Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players.


Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star


Big fact.

He has the scoring ability and thats all that matters. No one ever said you cant be an allstar as a bad defender.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:06 am    Post subject:

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They already are. Lonzo should go play with his brothers on that bbb USA team


Ouch!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:11 am    Post subject:

I love all three. I will say that Hart's game seems to improve on a weekly basis. It is crazy how good this kid has become.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:56 am    Post subject:

Zo lacks the drive that Kuzma and Hart have, which is why he’ll never be better.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:59 am    Post subject:

ducasse2 wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
I always thought Zo would become a Mini-Lebron. Now I’ll settle for a slightly smaller, faster, non-vocal Draymond Green.

I do think he was playing well last night though.


I think Zo's upside is Jason Kidd. Neither were or will be great shooters or scorers, but great passers and good to great rebounders and defenders.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:39 am    Post subject:

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Zo lacks the drive that Kuzma and Hart have, which is why he’ll never be better.

Id love to know how you measured his drive in the 63 games he's played in the NBA. Esp when measured against Kuz and Hart? People say defense is all about heart and effort. Did you consider that or are you just going off demeanor or playstyle? This narrative that Zo lacks drive is all make believe. Esp when he worked on every weakness he was told to work on over the course of a summer he had knee surgery. If anything it shows Zo has alot of drive to get better. Give the kid a break already. 63 fricken games played in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:45 am    Post subject:

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Seriously ? I don't see anything in common in their game...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:18 am    Post subject:

dont_be_a_wuss wrote:
activeverb wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
RusselDoeee01 wrote:
Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players.


Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star


I wouldn't agree with that. Averaging 22 or 23 points per game isn't a rubber stamp to being an All-Star. There are lots of guys who have averaged 23 points in a season without making the All-Star team.

Right now, kuz isn't close to being an All-Star


Anyone ever do that on the Lakers? Lakers fans will inflate votes.


Fans votes only affect the starters. And even in the case of the starters the voting system has changed to include media and players so the fans don't have as much influence as they used to.

But to your specific question, I can't think of any Lakers who averaged 23 or more who weren't Hall of Famers who deserved to be on an All-Star team. We did have that incident decades ago where an undeserving ac greene got in because of ballet stuffing but the current system has the media and players check to prevent that.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject:

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splashmtn wrote:
lonzobryant wrote:
I'm starting to think Lonzo won't reach his ceiling until he has a change of scenery. I don't think our roster fits him. He needs to be on a team like Orlando.
no. he needs to be on a team with some shooters obviously. but he also needs to get longer stints on the floor. he gets in a groove when he's out there for awhile. but if not. he has not figured out how to strike quickly and often within a short time span.


He needs to be more assertive, run the offense thru him when he gets the ball, kinda like young Rondo with KG/Ray/Pierce
but thats the thing. what we deem assertive is an old school point guard. a ball dominant pound the ball most of the shot clock and setting everyone up type of pg. that aint zo. never has been zo. probably will never be zo. zo gets the ball out of his hands quickly to allow others to make the 2ndary pass or to allow the play to be setup quicker. if a coach doesnt understand this, or his teammates dont get it. he will look super uninspired. Someone said it in here. Zo is the system. he is not going to do well trying to FIT in the system. Once everyone realizes that he will be fine. if they dont, well, he's going to be a solid defender and a good 2ndary passer that can hit some open 3's from time to time. thats about it. thats ok and good to have because we wont be paying him much, nor will he be good trade bait because most coaches dont understand how to use a guy like this. its going to take some out of the box thinking for someone to use him properly especially among other vets/stars. cause your gut will have you going with a traditional style over his style.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject:

Lonzo was better than both last season and i would bet he's better by the end of this season. Not sure where this nonsense comes from.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
RusselDoeee01 wrote:
Ball has star potential. Kuz and Hart likely won’t ever be all stars but very solid role players.


Kuzma's about 3-4 ppg away from being an all star


And 100% away defensively and rebounding from being a valuable role player
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject:

Do we have to give all 3 new contracts at same time? In 2 summers?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject:

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eddiejonze wrote:
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Seriously ? I don't see anything in common in their game...

Not seriously, kidding.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject:

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Lonzo was better than both last season and i would bet he's better by the end of this season. Not sure where this nonsense comes from.

Lonzo shows glimpses...that have been amazing. But over the course the past two years I would take Kuz and Hart over him because I know what I would get with those two players. I would rather have consistent, then more talented and inconsistent in my starting lineup.

Lonzo is getting in DLo territory....people loving the IDEA of what he could be...and not seeing him for what he consistently produces.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:03 am    Post subject:

LakersPimp wrote:
Lonzo is getting in DLo territory....people loving the IDEA of what he could be...and not seeing him for what he consistently produces.


I am staying positive about Ball, but I won't deny that this thought has crossed my mind.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am    Post subject:

With Kuz, y'all just care about scoring... He won't be better than Lonzo because Lonzo is gonna enhance everything that he already does better than Kuzma - which is everything, besides scoring.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:06 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
LakersPimp wrote:
Lonzo is getting in DLo territory....people loving the IDEA of what he could be...and not seeing him for what he consistently produces.


I am staying positive about Ball, but I won't deny that this thought has crossed my mind.


Yep. I'm searching for reasons to stay optimistic but just not seeing them.
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