Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:39 pm Post subject: Official 2018 NBA Draft Class Thread - Who is your ROY??
I'll try to keep this OP updated over the months (and years) with stats following the career trajectories of what looks to be many talented young players in another deep draft class.
Quantitative and qualitative observations, slap fights, and highlight clips all welcome. _________________ Under New Management
Early hot take: I think there's a not insignificant probability that Marvin Bagley is a bust.
DeAndre Ayton, otoh, does not look like a bust. Here's some highlights of him dunking on a bunch of Kings in his debut: _________________ Under New Management
Good call, sadly. I wasn't super high on Allen (I thought he was more an early 2nd pick), but he could be a really useful combo guard in Snyder's offense.
Here's Ted Cruz's love child raining transition threes in his preseason debut: _________________ Under New Management
Over the past 5 years, it went to two guys who look like they're going to be good (SImmons and Towns) but also to three nothing special guys (Brogdon, Wiggins, Carter-Williams)
Guys who got passed up were Victor Oladipo, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Joel Embiid.
So I don't think of it as a particularly significant award, or predictive of players' future success.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:02 am Post subject:
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Of course, the RoY award has been going to the higher impact first year players, rather than the higher upside players: Carter-Williams rather than Oladipo.
Curious as how one calls a 20 PPG career average "nothing special" (Wiggins.) Wiggins is not the god that many had forecasted him to become, but he is a pure scorer, that's a valued commodity in this league even now. _________________ “These GOAT discussions are fun distractions while sitting around waiting for the pizza to be served.”
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:06 am Post subject:
Individual health, roster health and comparative opportunities are always equal factors to talent for this award, but I voted Knox become of the convergence of team focus, roster need, fit and ability. _________________ “These GOAT discussions are fun distractions while sitting around waiting for the pizza to be served.”
Over the past 5 years, it went to two guys who look like they're going to be good (SImmons and Towns) but also to three nothing special guys (Brogdon, Wiggins, Carter-Williams)
Guys who got passed up were Victor Oladipo, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Joel Embiid.
So I don't think of it as a particularly significant award, or predictive of players' future success.
But if the Sixers didn't injure their top rookie every year, the past five ROY winners could've been MCW, Embiid, Towns, Simmons, and Mitchell. _________________ Under New Management
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Nets 2nd round pick Rodions Kurucs was a sleeper I liked a lot last year. Here's some highlights of his preseason debut where he got his AK47 on: _________________ Under New Management
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:17 pm Post subject:
How good is Ayton expected to be? Are we seeing a resurgence of the Center position in the modern NBA with Towns, Embiid, Jokic, and Porzingis? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Of course, the RoY award has been going to the higher impact first year players, rather than the higher upside players: Carter-Williams rather than Oladipo.
Curious as how one calls a 20 PPG career average "nothing special" (Wiggins.) Wiggins is not the god that many had forecasted him to become, but he is a pure scorer, that's a valued commodity in this league even now.
I don't want to get into a semantics debate of what constitutes a "nothing special player." I'll leave it at this: There are a lot of guys in the NBA who could average 20 ppg if they were allowed to jack up a lot of shots on bad teams.
Of course, the RoY award has been going to the higher impact first year players, rather than the higher upside players: Carter-Williams rather than Oladipo.
Curious as how one calls a 20 PPG career average "nothing special" (Wiggins.) Wiggins is not the god that many had forecasted him to become, but he is a pure scorer, that's a valued commodity in this league even now.
I don't want to get into a semantics debate of what constitutes a "nothing special player." I'll leave it at this: There are a lot of guys in the NBA who could average 20 ppg if they were allowed to jack up a lot of shots on bad teams.
I'm not sure that I'd call Wiggins a pure scorer or a valued commodity right now. The TWolves gambled that he would progress as a player, and instead he regressed a little. I was wondering whether he would react to the criticism by working hard in the off-season and coming back better. Based on preseason showings, the answer is no. This contract may become a cautionary tale.
So Wiggins is a small forward who doesn't shoot well, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass well, doesn't play much defense, and doesn't hustle. I hope the kid gets it together, but regardless, he managed to get paid.
Of course, the RoY award has been going to the higher impact first year players, rather than the higher upside players: Carter-Williams rather than Oladipo.
Curious as how one calls a 20 PPG career average "nothing special" (Wiggins.) Wiggins is not the god that many had forecasted him to become, but he is a pure scorer, that's a valued commodity in this league even now.
I don't want to get into a semantics debate of what constitutes a "nothing special player." I'll leave it at this: There are a lot of guys in the NBA who could average 20 ppg if they were allowed to jack up a lot of shots on bad teams.
I'm not sure that I'd call Wiggins a pure scorer or a valued commodity right now. The TWolves gambled that he would progress as a player, and instead he regressed a little. I was wondering whether he would react to the criticism by working hard in the off-season and coming back better. Based on preseason showings, the answer is no. This contract may become a cautionary tale.
So Wiggins is a small forward who doesn't shoot well, doesn't rebound, doesn't pass well, doesn't play much defense, and doesn't hustle. I hope the kid gets it together, but regardless, he managed to get paid.
If not for his contract, I wonder if he would even start because he brings so many negatives. I agree he's a cautionary tale about giving a ton of money to a player based on potential/hope, especially when the player himself doesn't seem to care all that much.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject:
Ayton. He's basically the only scorer on the team until Booker comes back, and even then, Booker/Ayton PnR is legit.
Doncic has to distribute a lot more and for whatever reason, I don't think he'll get as much national attention. Mavs are just more loaded. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Ayton. He's basically the only scorer on the team until Booker comes back, and even then, Booker/Ayton PnR is legit.
Doncic has to distribute a lot more and for whatever reason, I don't think he'll get as much national attention. Mavs are just more loaded.
Ayton seems like a likely 19-10 guy out of the gate, but I expect the Suns to be one of the bottom five teams in the NBA while the Mavs could be a sneaky contender for the 8th seed. So Doncic could get a winning team bump even if his numbers are conventionally more pedestrian than Ayton's. _________________ Under New Management
Here's OKC 2nd round pick Hami Diallo hitting three 3-pointers en route to a 19 point, 4 assist performance:
If Diallo can shoot somewhat competently from deep, he could pass up Ferguson in the Thunder's rotation pretty quickly. Color me impressed with this small sample from a player I was down on as more athlete than basketball player. Hopefully Diallo keeps it up (except against the Lakers). _________________ Under New Management
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