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Who would you rather build a team around? |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:24 pm Post subject: Better franchise centerpiece - Simmons or Embiid? |
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I was curious to learn who the LG community would rather build a franchise around if you could only choose one of the Sixers two main young prospects, Simmons or Embiid? This is assuming both players remain healthy over their careers, participating in an average of 75+ regular season games for the next 12-15 seasons. _________________ Under New Management |
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Mini Mamba Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I chose Embiid. Bigs with that kind of size and skill are extremely rare. Also, I don’t know if Simmons will ever learn to shoot. |
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JUST-MING Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Neither are mvp candidates, they’re just eastern conference stars. I’d rather build a team around Anthony Davis. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Embiid is a star. He's only played 94 games in two years. Still, he's one of the three finalists for DPoY and he'll probably come in top 10 voting in MVP, and likely would have made the top 5-7 if he hadn't missed 20 games.
The only concern about him is health, though he needs to work on his passing and turnovers.
Simmons is very good, and came close to making the all-star team as a rookie. The issue with him is he can't make a shot more than 9 feet out.
Simmons has more potential to correct his issue; I don't think Embiid's health will ever stop worrying people. But if I had to pick one, I'd go with Embiid because he's a special player. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Simmons.
Chose based on archetype. I mean, down the line, if Ben adds 10 or 20lbs in a typical NBA career like most do, he could even replace Embiid and the 76ers could have a different *better* point guard running the team.
That's how much talent he has. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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slavavov Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Embiid. He's like a modern day Hakeem, and he has some guard skills, which means he can play in today's NBA.
I don't know if Simmons will ever be a legit scoring threat where he's easily averaging 20+ points. I'm not even sure how much hunger he has to score huge points. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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panamaniac Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:11 am Post subject: |
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I prefer Embiid’s game. Both are special talents tho. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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What Simmons does is far more valuable in today's game. Not a knock on Embiid, whose defense and offense are both very much positive, but Simmons is a game controller in a far more unique skill to size ratio. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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BadGuy Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Embiid so far. If Simmons learns how to shoot, it may change the conversation. |
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Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Simmons. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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The results are fascinating so far. _________________ Under New Management |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Niether |
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Laker_Dynasty_01 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Can't think of a single player who avoided taking any shots beyond 15 feet ever becoming an able or even decent shooter. For as bad a reputation as Kidd had as a shooter, he shot 3 threes a game as a rookie in the two-ball era.
All the current bigs who extended their range to the arc were all good mid-range shooters to begin with (Gasol bros, Lopez, Speights). Ben Simmons can't even figure what hand to shoot with. Though only about to turn 22, how many star players (or even key role players) became jumpshooting threats after passing up virtually every jumper their rookie year from any distance? (Manute Bol's three ball was more a novelty than a weapon)
So, Embiid. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Embiid can't guard the perimeter, and Simmons can't shoot or even score really.. so neither |
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Assuming health for Embiid...isn't that kind of a huge assumption?
A healthy Embiid I'd take over Simmons _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | Can't think of a single player who avoided taking any shots beyond 15 feet ever becoming an able or even decent shooter. For as bad a reputation as Kidd had as a shooter, he shot 3 threes a game as a rookie in the two-ball era. |
Only 4% of Simmons shots were beyond 16 feet.
The fact that he can't hit free throws either is a bad sign. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Simmons has pulled slightly ahead! _________________ Under New Management |
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:30 am Post subject: |
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I went with Simmons. Only because I am not sure whether or not Embiid will hold up with injuries. I wish him the best, but big men with a history of injuries... If just considering talent, I'd go with Embiid. |
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The God Particle Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Embiid.
Simmons has a fatal flaw in is game that he's seemingly unwilling to fix.
That flaw alone is the reason why Simmons can never be a cornerstone of a team. Automatic disqualification. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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JUST-MING wrote: | Neither are mvp candidates, they’re just eastern conference stars. I’d rather build a team around Anthony Davis. |
Have you changed your mind? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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cencio_999 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Embiid, cause it's more difficult to build an offense around simmons.
you cannot have another playmaker or another non shooter (rim protector) but you still need a closer, as simmons needs the ball in his hand yet cannot create a shot from the dribble |
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lakersken80 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Trade them both and rebuild. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:46 am Post subject: |
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They should first try a coaching change.
Simmons and Embiid are rare hard talents to find.
I would move the coach out, who is not all that great IMO, and done enough from where he began to now, and see how it goes.
Try a new offense and defense, scheme. New voice. See what happens.
You will not find talents like Simmons or Embiid easily. Unlike some of the Laker draft lotto picks, I think these two have talent to become legit superstars eventually.
Look at what Buldenhozer did for Milwaukee and Giannis. Kidd was important for Giannis development and his game. Giannis loved Kidd. But Kidds tactics and schemes and voice ran its course. Now they needed new ones. In came MB and now Bucks and Giannis are on a different level.
Think the Sixers are the same. The other thing, for the life of me I do not get why they signed Al Horford and Harris when they already had two big guys in Simmons and Embiid. To me they needed someone like DAngelo Russell or a Kyre, or Kemba. They needed some sort of shooting-combo guard to get them a balanced trio. What do I know though. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:52 am Post subject: |
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EMBIID ALL DAY, athletic taller version of Joker, heir apparent to Hakeem, superb twitter game and can shoot
Would y'all take Ingram over Simmons? would you over Embiid? |
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LakerDYnasty72 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | They should first try a coaching change.
Simmons and Embiid are rare hard talents to find.
I would move the coach out, who is not all that great IMO, and done enough from where he began to now, and see how it goes.
Try a new offense and defense, scheme. New voice. See what happens.
You will not find talents like Simmons or Embiid easily. Unlike some of the Laker draft lotto picks, I think these two have talent to become legit superstars eventually.
Look at what Buldenhozer did for Milwaukee and Giannis. Kidd was important for Giannis development and his game. Giannis loved Kidd. But Kidds tactics and schemes and voice ran its course. Now they needed new ones. In came MB and now Bucks and Giannis are on a different level.
Think the Sixers are the same. The other thing, for the life of me I do not get why they signed Al Horford and Harris when they already had two big guys in Simmons and Embiid. To me they needed someone like DAngelo Russell or a Kyre, or Kemba. They needed some sort of shooting-combo guard to get them a balanced trio. What do I know though. |
Honestly, I'm hoping Philly's management doesn't appreciate what your saying about that duo, because they are a force, and even kinda scary. The only reason they got JE was an injury he had coming out of Kansas. Otherwise, he goes No.1.
They're unique. I'd feel a whole lot better about competing against that duo if my duo of AD was 26, and LeBron 27 or whatever |
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