BREAKING NEWS: LeBron James will announce decision on his free agency Thursday at 9pm EST on ESPN
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:07 pm    Post subject:

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HAHA, dumbass ESPN commentators saying they shouldn't burn Lebron's jersey in Cleveland.




So did Dwight Howard but putting that aside LeBron is lucky if his house is still standing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject:

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Mitch better be on the (bleep) phone...


Why?

The Lakers are NBA Champs with a bunch of proven talent.

The Heat are a glitzy mini-collection of three guys who need the ball.

The Heat need to figure out how they are going to compete with the Lakers after shooting their wad on 3 ego's and no supporting cast.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject:

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Funny thing is that James probably thinks if they fail, he can hide from the criticism behind D-Wade and Bosh.


Exactly why he chose this route.

If they don't win, he can say, "Not my fault man".
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject:

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Amare Stoudemire's response?


"I am sooooo....(bleep)."


Naw. He's happy with a paycheck.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject:

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Wow... I thought he'd stay in Cleveland. Lebron's even more crass than I thought.


It was obvious the second the Bosh signing was announced.

It was a given when the hour long ESPN BJ was announced.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:20 pm    Post subject:

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Pat Riley Sucks!!!!!!!!


Riley is a genius


This had nothing to do with Riley.

These guys planned this years ago.

Miami was just the destination.


They had it all planned out...I mean come on, Bosh had a reality show for the free agency meetings.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:21 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
HAHA, dumbass ESPN commentators saying they shouldn't burn Lebron's jersey in Cleveland.


LeBron should be glad they don't burn his house . . . Check that, they'd be doing him a favor. No one is going to buy that mammoth mansion in Ohio. He gets the insurance and walks away happy - just like the ahole he is.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject:

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so, when the schedule comes out mark our 2 games vs Heat as a loss


How you figure?

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but hey look at the bright side, how good it's gonna be watching Boston, Miami and Orlando beat each other up, it's gonna be great...

East >>>>>> West, not even close...


All the key East guys stayed in the East. The Lakers have the last two titles from the West.

The Heat just subtracted by addition.

So I don't know how you came to that conclusion.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject:

Though Stoudemire and Boozer went East, David Lee just went West. Of course, Durant is getting better, Chris Paul is coming back from injury, Blake Griffin is healthy again. Hopefully Bynum will follow suit after his surgery. West is still >>> than the East.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject:

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Amare Stoudemire's response?


"I am sooooo....(bleep)."


Naw. He's happy with a paycheck.



You know I wondered why Amare would want to go to NYC beyond the $$$ of course. I mean if you thought LeBron's mom was wild. Amare's mother is a whole other level along with the rest of his crazy family the NY media would have a field day with them. I would think he'd not want that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:26 pm    Post subject:

I completely forgot about Jim Gray being the guy who interviewed LeBron during "The Decision"

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29375906/espn-show-confirms-decision-was-fan-idea-not-lebron-james

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The idea for ESPN's The Decision show 10 years ago, in which LeBron James declared that he'd take his "talents to South Beach," wasn't LeBron's or his agent's or his inner circle's or anyone at ESPN's. It turns out that the show's idea came from a 38-year-old Detroit Pistons fan from Columbus, Ohio, identified only as "Drew" in a Bill Simmons mailbag column published by ESPN on Nov. 26, 2009, seven months before the broadcast.

"What if LeBron announces he will pick his 2010-11 team live on ABC on a certain date for a show called 'LeBron's Choice?'" wrote Drew, with no last name published. "What type of crazy ratings would that get?"

Simmons replied, "If LeBron were smart, he would market the event through his company, sell the rights to a network and reveal his choice on that show ... He could even make it pay-per-view ... I'm pretty sure they'll pony up for $44.99 for "Decision 2010: LeBron's Verdict."

Backstory: The Decision

Ten years ago, ESPN aired "The Decision," a controversial, live, prime-time special in which NBA free agent LeBron James announced that he would leave his hometown Cleveland Cavaliers and join the Miami Heat. The criticism of James and ESPN was immediate, harsh and widespread. The next episode of Backstory, featuring Don Van Natta Jr., airs at 9 p.m. ET Sunday on ESPN.

Until Friday night, the identity of 38-year-old Drew Wagner as the person who first pitched the idea wasn't known to anyone but his wife, Jennifer, and his circle of friends. But as they listened to multiple national radio shows Friday previewing a new Backstory episode on The Decision, which debuts Sunday at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN, they learned that Simmons pitched the "Drew from Columbus, Ohio" mailbag column idea directly to James' inner circle and ESPN executives in February 2010. On Friday night, Wagner's friends began chattering on Twitter about their friend's influence.

"He's a good friend of mine," said Graig Bachman, 39, of Columbus, an account manager for Enterprise Rent-A-Car, in an interview with ESPN. "And he hasn't shut up about how that was all his idea since 'The Decision' aired ... Of course he didn't know that for sure. He just assumed ... It's wild, kind of a whirlwind."

"That was me," Wagner said in a phone interview Friday night about the mailbag email. "I sent that email, it's posted by Simmons and then seven months later, it's the biggest story in sports."

Wagner said he grew up in Detroit as a Pistons fan, graduated in 2004 as a business major from Ohio State, and has lived in the Columbus area since college, managing logistics for a Midwestern building materials company.

The idea's spark came from the trend of recruitment news conferences held by high school seniors announcing their college choices, Wagner said.

"I remember everyone was talking about where LeBron would go, and it seemed to me that LeBron should do the same thing these kids do and announce it live on TV," he said. "I used to enjoy those Simmons mailbags quite a bit, and I thought it would be a fun idea to send it."


Ten years ago, the idea for the ESPN TV show "The Decision," in which LeBron James announced that he was taking his talents to South Beach, came from a Detroit Pistons fan, Drew Wagner. Courtesy of Drew Wagner
Wagner said he was pleased to see his email published and Simmons' enthusiastic embrace of the idea in his column. He said he chalked it up as an odd coincidence seven months later when The Decision aired on ESPN before a record studio show audience of 10 million people when James, an unrestricted free agent, declared he would leave the Cleveland Cavaliers after seven years to join the Miami Heat. But until Friday, Wagner said he had no idea what Simmons had done with his idea. Still, he said it didn't stop him from teasing his friends, many Cavs fans, in 2010 -- and since -- that "The Decision" was really his brainchild.

At the All-Star Game weekend in Dallas in February 2010, Simmons pitched the "LeBron's Decision" idea to James' business partner, Maverick Carter; James' agent at the time, Leon Rose; and James' advisor, William "World Wide Wes" Wesley. Simmons met with Rose and Wesley. "They both loved it," Simmons later wrote in an email. "I mean, LOVED IT." That weekend, Simmons also enthusiastically pitched the idea to several senior ESPN executives.

Simmons pitched two ideas to his bosses: a 90-minute documentary following LeBron in his free agency recruitment tour called "The Courting of the King," followed by "LeBron's Decision," where he would pick his new team in a live show, both to be aired on ABC.

"I really think we can convince them to do it," Simmons wrote in a May 8, 2010 email to multiple ESPN executives, including then-head of content John Skipper. "So my question is this: should we proceed, and if so, how should we proceed ... At the very least, I think we should meet with these guys and soon ... This could really be one of the coolest sports shows ever made if we do it correctly." There is no mention of "Drew from Columbus, Ohio," in that email.

Simmons couldn't be reached for comment Saturday afternoon.

Despite Simmons' excitement about the proposed broadcast, ESPN executives did not actively pursue it. But a month later, on June 6, 2010, during halftime of Game 2 of the NBA Finals in Los Angeles. Maverick Carter ran into Hollywood agent Ari Emanuel -- the inspiration behind the character Ari Gold from HBO's "Entourage" and a rival of Rose's at a different agency -- and veteran broadcaster Jim Gray.

Gray, who declined to comment for the Backstory episode, later said he had pitched the live free-agency announcement show to Carter and Emanuel. Carter then persuaded LeBron to do it. Shortly after that, Emanuel contacted Skipper.

Emanuel told Skipper that James and Carter wanted to buy one hour of network television on ABC, Skipper said in the Backstory episode. Skipper then said that he wanted the show on ESPN, and then Emanuel and Carter asked for the hour for free. On the Backstory episode, Skipper said he quickly decided he was "OK with donating the hour" to James' group. James and Carter pledged to donate proceeds from sponsors to charity, mainly to the Boys and Girls Clubs of America. Tax returns of the LeBron James Family Foundation show $2 million was given to the national Boys and Girls Clubs of America that year.

In the weeks and days leading to the broadcast, two of the early enthusiastic supporters of the idea in LeBron's camp -- his agent Rose and "World Wide Wes" -- soured on The Decision, partly because Emanuel and his agents ran with the idea, sources said. They both warned members of James' inner circle that the show, in which LeBron would announce he was leaving his hometown of Cleveland, could easily backfire on him. But those warnings went unheeded by Carter, Rich Paul and others in LeBron's inner circle.

On July 8, 2010, the day of The Decision broadcast, Simmons wrote again that "a Columbus reader named Drew" had pitched "the exact same idea ... but I thought he was kidding. Now I think he's Nostradamus. Drew from Columbus looked into the future, and here's what he saw: a world in which it was totally conceivable that an NBA superstar would sell an hour-long show in which he picked his next team and tainted his legacy in the process."

Simmons said nothing about his role behind the scenes in that column. But Wagner's friends loved it, said Danny Catullo, 37, who has been Wagner's best friend since their first day together at Ohio State.

"We loved that," Catullo said. "And we've been loving this whole thing since [Friday] ... When I heard about this Friday, I texted Drew, 'OMG, Holy f---. You caused riots. You're responsible for the burning of jerseys.' Everything was his fault."

When Wagner heard from Catullo and other friends Friday about how hard Simmons pushed his idea, he said he was surprised and found it interesting.

"I don't know how that stuff works," he said. "I always had in the back of mind that maybe I did kick this into some kind of gear ... I don't think I deserve anything from it or any credit. I'm sure plenty of people could have come up with that kind of idea and got the ball rolling. I'm also pretty sure some people would want to shoot the guy who came up with the idea."

Far more satisfying for Wagner, he said, was that he was able to pull off "a big time troll" of his friends who were Cavaliers fans by telling them what had eventually become The Decision was his initial idea, published by a high-profile columnist for the network that aired the show.


"It was just funny to me," he said, "and frustrating for them." On July 8, 2010, Wagner said he watched The Decision live at his home in Columbus. "I was very surprised," he said. "I didn't think he was going to Miami. I figured he'd stay in Cleveland. The only reason to do that is to make your hometown fans excited and announce you were investing more years and staying put. I couldn't believe he said, "I'm out of here for Miami.' It was pretty shocking."

Wagner and his wife of four years, Jennifer, have a 17-month old daughter, Zoey.

"I vaguely remember him talking about this, but then we got contacted by friends [Friday] night," Jennifer Wagner said. "One friend said on an entertainment scale of 10, this is a 100."

Bachman said, "I'm a Cavs fan. It hurt that night and it also hurt because Drew was right -- something he had suggested had happened. I can handle a lot but when a friend dunks on you, it's just not good."
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:29 pm    Post subject:

That HEAT team sort of underachieved. At the time, many thought it would be the greatest team of all time. But they only won two rings.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:47 am    Post subject:

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That HEAT team sort of underachieved. At the time, many thought it would be the greatest team of all time. But they only won two rings.


Probably because of that intro of the Heat players and LeBron talking he'd win not 1, not 2 etc

I mean there were going to be expectations regardless but they also did it to themselves.

That whole thing kept Wade relevant for a few more years before that he was about to fade into irrelevancy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:16 am    Post subject:

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That HEAT team sort of underachieved. At the time, many thought it would be the greatest team of all time. But they only won two rings.


They would've only won one had that Spurs team not thrown away game 6 in 2013.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:12 pm    Post subject:

Not sure I agree. I think the team that really underachieved was OKC who was arguably even more talented and the Heat smashed them in their only finals appearance. The only thing that looked really bad was choking in the Finals against Dallas (who beat another talented OKC team in 5 games).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:24 am    Post subject:

4 straight Finals and 2 NBA titles is not underachieving, but certainly a case could be made that they should have 3 peated or won more than they did in LBJs Boshs and Wades prime.

Its rare you have 3 players of that level in their primes together.
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